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Posted by: Samuel Day Fassbinder ( Citizens for Mustard Greens, USA ) on June 07, 1999 at 16:28:37:

In Reply to: Responding. posted by Red Deathy on June 07, 1999 at 10:14:34:

: : SDF: Couldn't you start one there?

: Sorry, point I missed, unlike the US land costs a fortune over here, and almost all of it is given over to farming allready. Not many places we could build a commune near Loonchester...

SDF: Maybe you could start a squat on the abovementioned land? Certainly you have a background understanding of the history of squats etc., and communal organization doesn't require belief in institutions such as property...

: : SDF: Correct, you could use your commune as a socialist base of operations...

: Socialism requires abundance.

SDF: And since a commune would be a production of abundance, whereas many workers today live in conditions of forced scarcity... the point you're making is?

: : SDF: But, RD, wouldn't it be helping your fellow class members to allow them some communal "self-sufficiency" as against the predations of Monsanto, by growing one's own food, organic co-ops, etc?

: Not really, because it would only help the tiny number in communes, its just another form of reformism, putting teh revolution off till another day.

SDF: Aren't you already putting the revolution off till another day? Why not do something constructive in the meantime? Last I heard Tony Blair was still your Head Bully. Isn't that still the case today? When is the change coming? Tomorrow, per anyone's oath not to put the revolution off 'til another day?

: : SDF: Isn't this an unnecessary stipulation? Can't you both have a commune and agitate at the same time?

: Not really, because you cease to live among the normal workers, you're arguing to them from outside.

SDF: But do the normal workers live among the normal workers? Why trust the capitalist workplace to create conditions where solidarity between workers is most likely?

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