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Posted by: Gee ( si ) on June 17, 1999 at 10:57:47:

In Reply to: Sorry Gee, yoghurt has nothing to do with it. posted by Quincunx on June 16, 1999 at 15:06:29:

: Qx: Really? I always was of the opinion that the public good was a stronger point of emphasis amongst “leftwing whatevers”

The underlying philosophy is, of necessity, a view of societies as creator of individuals, of man a society not as individual.

: What about individuation? Isn’t that an issue?

It is, when individuation means the development of the individual from the universal or the process by which individuals in society become differentiated from one another.

: Qx: Yeah and you don’t even know about the Multilateral Agreement on Investments, don’t really question corporate governance, accept neo-classical economics as the be-all and end-all of economics (and dismally at that),

Why the rush of presumptiousness about what I know and do?

: view profits without realizing that it is a cultivated (and polite) code word for theft

Value being created by the result of organising the means to create it is not theft. Value wich did not exist prior to such organisation of the means to create it belongs more to the organisor than the elements organised. Unless ofcourse you deny that the organising is a value adding act.

Let those 'rip off artists' as you call them cease to organise and see how much value is created.

: highly suspect when there’s more than enough evidence to shoot it down in flames a million times over.

Except there isnt really, however 'clear' in your mind the evidence is not empirical, its theoretical, and dubious at that.

: You may be consistent but you’ll always be contradictory in your

I have no doubt it will appear so to you.

: G: The starting point in questioning our current society would be to ask "why would
: people 'require' guidance and the force of laws from others?" not "why should people
: claim the right to their individual life and the means to live it as such"

: Qx: Hmmm...interesting if one is so wrapped up in an ego game centering on rightwing Libertarianism

It has nothing to do with wings, the proposition is simply that we would do better to ask why people need "guidance and the force of laws from others" prior to any discussion about how to go about it, or any criticism of free association and pvte property.

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