- Capitalism and Alternatives -

Aye, that's the rub for The Controllers

Posted by: borg on July 19, 1999 at 19:47:04:

In Reply to: socialism will take time posted by Lark on July 16, 1999 at 21:11:13:

: : I was bringing this pint up when I was arguing with a Trotskyist (from Boston College!) on my lunch break yesterday. He said I was a typical Allende style reformist, and that Allende's overthrow proved that Allende-ism could not work. Completely ignoring the fact that had the US not intervened, or intervened on teh right side, Chile would still probably be socialist today.

: : What do you all think?

: I think you should have clouted the Trot that's usually what I do.

: That proposal sounds great to me but it's the same as any any-way-decent proposal unless it was brought in by the G8, UN, EU and US all at once the rich bastards would just move across national boundaries to some poor wee nation that dosent know what taxation is.

How would you expect this Mega-govt to act?
Better or even more effectively that individual govts?

The wee nations have to work harder to build something of
value. That's why they make such attractive offers.

Cyberspace will soon be the New Frontier when it comes
to attracting untaxable capital.

Then I would say the game's over.

Some unusual ideas at this site.

: People, citizens, individuals are the state and it's stupid therefore to talk about either "taking it over" or "tearing it down" or destroying it. It can change as peoples modes of thought, behaviour and social organisation are influenced through persuasion.

This is essentially correct but I would reword it saying
that most people's mind-set determines what it is they want
and they now want the state because they can't imagine
anything else or "none of the above" winning the

Persuasion *is* the best course since the alternative
is not appealing to you and I and I would hope most
others. Revolution in the streets is such a messy thing
and almost always counterproductive. Why should anyone want
a "new and improved" icon of our slavery is out of my ken?

: Reform and persuasion may take a long time but as I've said before capitalism, the new Rome, wasnt built in a day, if socialism is going to be permanent it is going to take a monumental amount of time.

"Whatever" happens I think will take place sooner than anyone thinks.

Unlikely that either of us will get our way concerning the specifics.

Unlikely anyone else will either.

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