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Wasn't socialism at all.

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on July 21, 1999 at 18:17:14:

In Reply to: I do not claim that Soviet style socialism is the only type. posted by DonS on July 21, 1999 at 12:59:29:

: Don: In socialist nation states such as the USSR,

Which wasn't socialist, which was in fact 'State Capitalist'- i.e. production ocurred for the market (although the state seemed to determine production, lergely it was just reacting to shifts in the real market)

: After all, if you were a citizen in the USSR, you couldn't just decide to take off for a joyride in a MiG 29, could you? The MiG in fact belonged to your government, and you had no say in its use.

Exactly, so If I don't own it, its not common ownership, therefore its not socialism. After they nationalised Coal in britain, people were prosecuted for theft and told by teh Judge 'You are stealing the King's cole!'

: . Common ownership works fine at a family level, and get increasingly difficult with larger groups.

It becomes non-ownership, no-one really owns it, effectively.

:At some point socialists define state ownership as common ownership, but it is just a fiction.

Not if they are being theoretically consistent their not.

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