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There is no reason to learn under socialism.

Posted by: Jason ( USA ) on July 22, 1999 at 17:28:35:

In Reply to: The pride of the working class rebounds posted by Samuel Day Fassbinder on July 21, 1999 at 17:15:57:

: : Come on, why the hell would I go to college and receive an advanced education if I wouldn't be receiving some form of reward down the road?

: SDF: To learn something maybe?

There is no reason to learn under socialism. There is nothing in it for me! Under capitalism, learning empowers me to actually change the world and see the direct results. There is much more satisfaction in that than the warm and fuzzy socialist idea that I'm "creating the world".

: : Makes more sense just to mop floors the rest of my life...

: SDF: Is there nothing to say for job satisfaction? One of the things we can learn from reading Karl Marx is that our labor is alienated. In doing things, in making things, in working with the things and people of the world, Marx argued, we MAKE THE WORLD.

Well, doens't that just sound so sweet and perfect... like heaven on earth... awww!

:In doing these things under a capitalist system, he further argued, we MAKE THE WORLD FOR SOMEONE ELSE, and that someone else is the owner, who hires the boss to tell us what to do. Thus the satisfaction we might get from the act of working is nullified, replaced by an external reward, which is the pay someone else gives us for following his or her orders.

Under the capitalist system, one receives direct credit for their labor. The employee doesn't make the world for the owner... he/she "makes the world" for the customer or client to whom the company provides a product or service. The owner receives the profits for organizing the labor and doing the job better than the competition.

: : I'll be just as rich as a brain surgeon or an engineer who went through 12 years of schooling under the communist system!!!

: SDF: And they'll be much smarter than you. Do you think there's no pride in that?

Why should I really care if I'm smarter? Under socialism, I might as well have a big parade every day of my life and not give two s**ts about anybody else!

: SDF: But as a mere owner, you don't create wealth. The people who build your restaurant or company, the people who make your products and maintain your buildings, THEY create the wealth.

As the "mere" owner?!?! Let's see... the owner ONLY hires the contracting firm to build the infrastructure and the employees who make the products or provide the services and maintain the building. They create wealth for themselves, and as the organizer of it all, the owner(s) take the profits to grow the company further, which continues to benefit the employees, customers, and holders of equity.

:BTW, you claim to be a capitalist. A capitalist, by definition, is somebody who profits off of the labor of others. Who do you employ, and how much profit do you make off of their labor?

By saying I'm a capitalist, I'm saying I believe in the capitalist and democratic systems. However, I am an investor and therefore benefit from the growth of the companies I own shares in. I don't employ anybody directly since I have to active participation in the operation of the firm. The profit I make is the increase in the stock price and the dividends the company pays its shareholders. BTW, I also work for a grocery store where my labor directly benefits the customers of the store and therefore the owner. You could say the owner is profiting off MY labor, which is true, but I also profit through the compensation the owner pays me for my labor.

: BTW, how much is Gates paying you to post here? If he's not paying you, then why did you post here at all, giving Microsoft free advertising? Perhaps you did it because it's a form of labor you like to perform?

Bill Gates is paying me nothing... I was merely giving an example of how capitalism works to create wealth for more than just the CEO or founder of a company. Perhaps it is a form of labor I like to perform, but granted, it wasn't very difficult to mention Microsoft and that labor isn't really worth compensation.

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