- Capitalism and Alternatives -

Not quite.

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on August 02, 1999 at 12:00:33:

In Reply to: Sorry. posted by Dr. Cruel on July 26, 1999 at 17:56:15:

:Communists now call this "state capitalism".

The SPGB called it state Capitalism as early as 1920.

: Germany - An attempt to take over the country through violence backfired. Later, a radical forms a party made up of 'revolutionaries' that combines neo-communist ideology with racism. Playing on popular hatred of communism, he gains power - an then makes an alliance with his Russian cousins five years later. Needless to say, an infamous failure. Called 'fascism' by the Communists.

Kinda conflating many different groups- the Berlin Putsche was led by 'the revolutionary shop stewards', and was very Violently repressed by the SPD Government and the 'Frei-Krops', the KPD (communist party) had nothing to do with it, and was campiaigning for wider support. the Nazi Party was founded directly as an anti-communist force. Its tennets were wholly inimicable to Communism.

: China - A popular peasant uprising against the mandarins leads to a society dominated by a secular imperial court. Communist dogma is used to justify what might have been the worst human disaster outside of WWII. Most recently, a popular movement against the government by idealistic students was brutally crushed. Have yet to hear what Communists call this one - still "communist", as far as I know ...

State Capitalist, actually.

: Cuba - A corrupt dictator is replaced by a Marxist revolutionary, who promptly becomes a corrupt dictator that outlaws the Church.

Who was not a Marxist at the time of his coup, but who fled into 'the Socialist bloc' due to hostility from treh US.

:Still a "communist" state, albeit with "qualifications", as per the Communists.

State Capitalist.

: Vietnam - An unusually brutal group of revolutionaries systematically murders all who oppose them, inventing new kinds of warfare in the process. A group trained by them initiates one of the worst genocides in the twentieth century on the civilian population of Cambodia.

Erm, no the Khmer Rouge hated the Vietnamese, and attacked them, once they were ousted by the Vietnamese, the US backed them, including political aid, and military aid and training.

:After fighting to 'liberate' the southern part of their country from the West

A puppet state created to justify US involvement.

:invades two neighboring states four years later in a war of imperial conquest.

The invasion of Cambodia ended teh Genocidal reign of Pol Pot, being incosistant aren't we?

:Popularly touted as a communist success story by many on the Left.

Nationalist War of Post-Colonial Liberation, state Capitalist.

: Is my apology accepted, sir?

No, because you didn't address my central complaint- you called me a Liar, without proof, your point scoring is by the wayside, address that point- do I believe what I espouse?

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