: : Qx: This seeems to be nothing more than a crass outpouring of irrational resentments at people who more likely than not are not even socialists.
WW: No. It's quite rational.
Qx: Uh-oh...just saying so doesn't make it so.
WW:It comes from experiencing the vain, intolerant, and presumptuous attitudes of people who call themselves socialists (whether or not they know what what socialism is) and concluding that their isolation from the majority of working people is self-imposed.
QX: Then perhaps you could count yourself as one of them.
WW: I think socialists like Quincunx and Lark are fine examples of this negative attitude toward working people in general, white american, male workers in particular.
Qx: You think? I doubt that you've even been doing that critically.
WW: But it's not limited to these two hacks.
Qx: Sure we'll get a third hack to help everybody out with bilious diatribes of sanctimonious conceit.
WW: For example: the New Unionist printed an article a couple years back which opposed affirmative action. It then went on to assume that the vast majority of people who oppose affirmative action are "racist, sexist, macho,..." Different from those were "A few, including New Unionists" who opposed affirmative action out of purer motives. But most working people know and understand how destructive competition for jobs is - they know when they are being played against each other. If the New Unionist understood that affirmative action was a scam, why did they assume that other working people didn't.
Qx: Please provide a reference as to what issue that was and if there's even a URL hyperlink then go ahead and provide that too. Right now you're using it as a silly weapon. (*hint-mumble velocity)
WW:Another example: Winslow prefers an affinity group strategy (as opposed to unions) so Quincunx calls him a "phony, capitalist newspeaker who doesn't care about the world".
Qx: And yet another example: Winslow types out pretty things that get some people fooled but shows his real self later on.
WW:(Incidently, I am baffled as to why Quincunx, who obviously holds to the axiom that "the emancipation of wage-workers is the task of wage-workers themselves", would label attempts at extension and expansion of wage-workers' self-activities as supplementing capital's acts at fragmenting wage-workers.
Qx: More accurately I have doubted your authenticity by noting as before that you're using a straw man. If anybody else had written what you had written here I would see it as coming from someone who is authentic in their desire to understand and make sense of capitalism and the alternatives. Coming from you it's pretty obvious that you have a lot of maturing to do.
WW: Go figure. Quincunx would do better to read Stan Weir or the history of the Kamunist Kranti/Collectivities group in Faridabad, India) Or how about Lark's use of words like "fascist" and "racist" when some libertarian type disagrees on an issue like gun control.
Qx: Wow!! You must really have a hate-on for Lark and I. Actually we've disagreed heavily on the issue of Kosovo and if I really needed to brush up on leftists groupings in India I would just have to talk to my next door neigbours from Kerala and not try to go to a book for a source of social gospel. It's probably a good book but you seem to do it a disservice by using it as a reference.
WW: I consider it the height of vanity to assume that someone doesn't care about the world because they disagree with your position.
Qx: And by considering it the height of vanity you have missed the point. I doubt that you really care at all and part of your reason for posting here is to vent your misdirected rage at anybody who challenges you.
WW: And I think most socialists have no one to blame but themselves for their marginalized existence. It seems they want it this way.
Qx: Then you should do some reading about Americanism and how you arrive at this atrribution is quite pathetic.
WW: Red Deathy, on the other hand, is one cool cat.
Qx: Hey! I though you had posted earlier that you would quit kissing ass.
P.S.: Explain these little ditties you typed out a while back.