G: : Its these threats and consequences that need to be so heavily scrutinized whenever someone offers 'the socialist alternative' or engages in criticism of private property and indivualism.
: : And doing so is fun, aswell.
F: Excellent thoughts. I feel no attraction to the Socialist/Communist/Green program. Me and millions of others, for the reason's that you list. I don't think that man's make-up, his nature, is built for that.
Qx: Actually, you haven't really stated anything of any substance whatsovere to refute socialism and so to use Gee's distortions as a crutch is pretty lame also. BY making your statement about human nature and by stating this....
F: I may be wrong, but history in this regard says probably not.
Qx: ....the question arises as to what historical sources are you referring to? If it's the typical mass media swill of contemporary American society then you've been regurgitating nostrums of a back-slapping session and not much else.
F: Except for small inconsequential communities such as the Amish and Mennonites and left over Hippy communes who are, forgive me, parasites.
Qx: What makes them "inconsequential" and what makes you think they are "parasites"? Amish, Mennonites, and left over hippy communes are substantially more self-reliant than any so-called individualist who rants about fathers who run construction companies which is supposed to endear us to the so-called ideals of "rugged individualism". Since you're such a "rugged individualist" who would like to convince some of us here that you know what you're talking about then perhaps you should forgive yourself. Of course, that would require "individual responsibility" and would you have the stomach for that?