- Capitalism and Alternatives -
Posted by: Frenchy on October 18, 1999 at 14:39:20:
In Reply to: There's nothing arbitrary about democracy posted by Samuel Day Fassbinder on October 17, 1999 at 17:50:13:
: SDF: Go back and look at the basis for determining class, it's FACT. Employment is not "subjective," it's a REAL relationship between people, it's the relationship between the working class and the owning class. Dependency is a real relationship, and the members of the working class, each and every one of 'em, are all dependent upon the wages of a paying employer. There's nothing arbitrary about this at all, and there's nothing arbitrary about creating democratic working-class unions of people (preferably communes; I value relative group autonomy) so that we don't live in a society where pieces of money have more power than votes, either.
Gee makes some pretty good points based on the way people are, not the way Marxist texts say they are.
SDF, doctrinaire as always, rebuffs valid questions at every turn and ends his post with a classic SDFism; "This is a dubious line of reasoning, gainsaying my fact-based assessment just because you don't understand it."
Another's reasoning is dubious while Sam's assessment's are fact-based.
This man's personal experiences in life are irrevelant, while another man is driven by fear of losing his ill gotten gains.
Sam, can you say 'egomaniac'?
By the way, you never answered my question; "What is your blue-collar background?"
Since you talk so much about the cheated workers of the world, what do you base that knowledge on?
You too Nikhil, McSpotlight, Stoller, spill the beans.
I've got an enquiring mind...