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: : : McSpotlight: Isn't that a bit of a generalization?
: : What is a massive generalization is placing one's hope in a bloody revolutuion and assuming that upheaval is better for people than this system. I dare say that Barry doesn't get one half of one single, bloody percentage point in a vote on this issue. You want to defend him too? Go ahead and vote for him but don't speak of other people's generalizing in any disparging manner. The Liberals/Socialists/Communists/Greens that Frenchy speaks of (which includes you) are obviously frustrated, not having the slightest chance of winning elections in this country, they place their hopes in war and upheaval to accomplish their manifestly unpopular views. It is elitism in the strongest, clearest sense of the word to assume one knows better than 99.5% of the rest of the population. It is a massive generalization to think your pitiful minority knows better than us.
: Stuart, I expressed no actual point of debate other than the suggestion that Frenchy was generalizing a bit. Socialists, Communists, Liberals and Greens differ a lot on some fundamental points; some of them are diametrically opposed on fundamental political points; to lump them all together as one vast amorphous mass is rather like saying "Republican/Neoliberal/Fascist"; as you could easily point out, there are a whole spectrum of political differences between the above three terms, which would make describing them as one movement a) inaccurate and b) insulting to anyone who was one of the above four groups and didn't want to be called by any of the other three. This is a political debating room, and gross generalization is likely to cause unecessary offence.
: Rex, McSpotlight.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$There is only one reason why I lump those different viewpoints together. They all require a certain amount of deviousness to attract people to their cause. They all welcome the use of state force to accomplish their goals. They all, in the past, have used violence, as advocated by Marx, to further their cause.
If it walks like a duck.....