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Objective law, subjective law...to some it is all the same.

Posted by: David ( USA ) on October 22, 1999 at 13:54:34:

In Reply to: 'Free Market' Fascism? No Thanks! (better draft) posted by Barry Stoller on October 21, 1999 at 22:20:08:

: : The only type of rule I am advocating is the rule of objective law. Minority rule is just as bad as majority rule.

: At least you are out in open about disavowing democracy!

I am disavowing pure democracy; one in which everybody votes on everything.

: Your claim that minority rule is 'just as bad' as majority rule might have some merit if you were proposing consensus. But as a disciple of that supremacist Ayn Rand, it's obvious that you are proposing the medieval idea that aristocrats should rule the masses. And I'm sure an aristocratic minority would have a rule of 'objective law'---the 'law' that they decree 'objective,' that is.

If, as you imply, the objective law is subjected to the whims of a minority (or a majority) than it is not really 'objective,' is it? When I say 'objective law' what I mean is one which forbids the violation of anyone's individual rights. When I say 'individual rights' I mean man's right to life and all subsequent corollaries.
Thus, objective law cannot be subjected to anyone's whims as rights are absolutes as opposed to fluid.

: Perhaps you favor Stuart Gort's occult idea of democracy:


: Is that the moral position you are taking - that I should turn my company over to the employees in a magnanimous gesture of democratic principle? Fine! They will all get one vote for every $10,000 they invest. I get 12 votes for my $120,000 and another 16 votes for the years I spent researching and developing when I could have made money in my former trade instead.

: Which, logically enough, leads to this sort of democracy:


: Elizabeth Dole, the first woman to be taken seriously as a candidate for her party's Presidential nomination, dropped out of the race today, saying she could not raise enough cash to compete with the fortune raised by one Republican rival [Bush] and inherited by another [Forbes].(1)

I am not very well versed in political financing so I am not in any position to comment on it objectively and with facts. It is my opinion, however, that campaign financing needs to be reformed. People should not be able to buy "favors" from Washington.

: : Ration education? Since when was using your earned money to buy a service rationing? When you go to the store to buy some milk is it being rationed to you?

: As things stand now, everything is rationed to the working class. Do not wages ultimately determine what is purchased? Do not wages ultimately determine what priorities are achievable---and which ones are not? And what determines wages is the labor market---which is controlled (collectively) by the capitalist minority.

'Rationed,' implies an arbiter. The only 'arbiter' in a free market is demand. If there are not enough skilled workers, than the wages offered to those that are skilled workers will necessarily go up.

: : No. You can go live on a self-sustaining farm and not have to trade with the outside world or participate in the global economy.

: After I buy that 'self-sustaining farm,' you failed to mention! In order to get the dough for that farm, I will 'only' have submit to the interconnected labor market. Some omission!

Do you know why you need to buy that farm? Because there is no "unclaimed" land. If the land belongs to someone, you can't kick them off saying you don't want to participate in the economy. You have to give them something of value. Usually money.

: : I choose not to enslave anyone. I will not advocate enslavement of the minority by the majority nor vice versa.

: As if the 'free market' is really impartial? Who are you trying to fool? Read that headline about Elizabeth Dole again and say that with a straight face.

Those inequalities are caused by the corruption within our government, they are not a result of the free market. In fact, we are not even living in a free market. We are living in a mixed economy. That, however, is another discussion.

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