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Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Pary, UK ) on October 29, 1999 at 12:04:00:

In Reply to: If anyone wants a revolution without a party leading it, don't let me stop you posted by Stoller on October 25, 1999 at 18:48:58:

: You are a member of a Party, are you not?


: If I call a party that will 'bring understanding, thus acquired and clarified, to the working masses, to spread it with increased enthusiasm, to close the ranks of the party organizations and of the labor unions with ever greater energy' (Engels) a 'group of class conscious workers struggling to command understanding and clarify the way ahead "communist understand the line of march" IIRC the Manifesto' (you, emphasis added) INSTEAD of a vanguard (a party necessary to lead the workers into the socialist future---me), what has changed?

The difference between Engels' model and Lenins is that for Lenin the party seizes power, and rules *for* the workers, building socialism *for* them. Mine, and Engels' model, is that a party agitates and organises among the workers for them to take power themselves, and make their revolution. Lenin was a Jacobin.

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