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Posted by: Gee ( si ) on October 29, 1999 at 13:03:57:

In Reply to: My provisional prescense posted by Lark on October 29, 1999 at 11:25:15:

: I'm sorry if it appeared I was attacking you I wasnt. Although you have stated many times how you hate leftist debaters who have a tendency to moan about it (capitalism) being "Unfair" or running of one line dogmatism (the "Lenin, Stalin, Mao" of the Revolutionary Workers Party Cult) it makes me equally furious to see the same thing on the capitalist side, I really, really feel as though I waste my time posting messages.

I don't think you do though - well, I cant judge that for you ofcourse, but I think your posts often interject a more 'free spirited' and less orthodox socialism into the debate. A mix of reformist and Proudhon anarchist if you will.

: It's not just a matter of integraty we are equally sincere but we still consider each other wrong, or at least not entirely correct, what I was suggesting is that you have engaged in a veritable cultural exchange between the capitalist and free camps and have found, I think it's same to assume, that the Hitler, Stalin, Mao crap that "libertarian" dogmatists are driving around in a wheel barrow is nonsensical, when compared with the real socialist, whether reformist, like me, or radical, like RD.

Whilst I agree that you, or RD, would not encourage or be party to the kind Leninism / Moaism that developed in other countries my very real contention is that unless virtually *everybody* is in absolute agreement with socialism and what it requires then the results are either a reversion to mixed-economy 'westernism' or a clampdown of authoritarian enforcement of skewed statist socialism.

: Then there are those who exist only as a contradiction, who's purpose is a prejudiced assault on communism, a concept they have no interest in or understanding of. As I would say to any free debater who was making poverty posts EG depending on the earthquakes etc. of the third world to provide humanitarian disasters to blame on capitalism I might expect you to encourage among right wings an unprejudiced approach to the whole deal.

When I do read those posts they seem to be about details of what happened in Kerala or 1930s germany, what some subdivision of Trotskyists did 30 years ago and so forth - I have to admit that I dont really know enough about it to comment fully.

Perhaps I should go study some material to see if there is a reason for this stated connection between communism and fascism.

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