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To date, the US is more fascist than capitalist.

Posted by: DonS ( USA ) on November 03, 1999 at 13:10:17:

In Reply to: Oh, I see posted by Kweassa on October 31, 1999 at 18:16:14:

: You take fascism not as a political term. You do not think fascism falls under the category of capitalism. To you, it seems fascism is a political AND economical term itself. No. Fascism is an economic term to me. I feel that its use

:To you it seems that fascist economics is not "capitalism", but "fascism". That explains the part where you described modern history as:

: "Don: ... Post WW1 to the end of WW2 would be the rise of socialism and fascism. Post WW2 would be the contest between fascism and socialism, ending in the fall of the later ... Further, I believe ... their fundamental economic concepts are essentially the same. The fascism of the US is "fascism with a friendly face". "

: It's quite obvious you support capitalism.

: Then to you capitalism is that what the ordinary person would say as "classical theories of the market by Adam Smith" and "Neo-Classical revival of Smith by Milton Friedman". Namely, lassaize-faire market and monetary economics.

: Therefore, the atrocities of fascism is not relevant to the failures of post-war(WWI) capitalism(since you don't think they are capitalism at all). And the gradually failing economies during 1945~1989 does not prove the inconsistencies of capitalism (since they were not capitalism but a "fascism with a friendlt face"). And the improving economic stats of after 1989 will be evidence for you to prove that capitalism is the only realistic alternative we have, since socialism and fascism both failed, huh?

Don: In fact, I feel fascism is something of a success. To date, the US is more fascist than capitalist. I see this as a bad thing. It will be much harder to shake fascism than it was for the USSR to shake socialism. A bad thing that works can be much worse than a bad thing that doesn't work at all.

: So, in your terms, capitalism is not a force which steadily evolved the world to what it is today, but rather something it was cut off after 1917 and has been only revived when "really existing socialism" of communist USSR and "fascist(as you claim)" USA fell during the periods between 1970~1989.

Don: I wouldn't say that fascist USA fell. I wish we could get out from under it, but I feel it will be a long, slow process. At least, we have been making inroads . . .

: That explains it.

: I have to admit that is quite unique. Yes, that certainly explains where here your logic of pro-capitalism has derived from, and how it has derived.

Don: It is not unusual among libertarians.

: I rest my case.

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