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Posted by: Gee ( si ) on November 04, 1999 at 18:43:48:

In Reply to: Naturalizing capitalism once again posted by Samuel Day Fassbinder on November 03, 1999 at 16:48:56:

: SDF: That's only so under the capitalist model of industry, and people think that way only because the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie is keeping the investors in power. Remove the capitalists, and industry keeps working, its surplus-value socialized...

Investment - the building of factory etc is still necessary. The factory isnt 'eaten', its the product that is - so somewhere along the line investment decisions are still going to be made and investment will still enable production.

: (skipping the redundant stuff you couldnt cope with more like)

: SDF: This is an attempt to validate straw figures. By the same token I could argue that I think we ought to address claims that advocate violent and bloody murder associated with anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism...

If people here were advocating it I'd expect you to do so.

: SDF: Look, I have you down as saying that all desires were merely subjective.

Peoples desires are subjective, the value of bread to a starving man can be argued OBJECTIVELY hence the comment I made by looking at reality - he is starving. If the starving man has only the same vote under socialism as the one who votes for his 10th yacht then how does that sit with "self defined needs" - answer; It doesnt and in order to overcome said problem authority will be applied.

You are, of course, free to arbitrarily attribute qualities to me as you please. Feel free to accuse me of anything without having to go through the tiresome process of actually reading.

: you have to show how some desires are objectively more important than others.

Thats what I asked you - did you read it at all?

Or are you avoiding what is very difficult - showing objectively why Man A should have bread rather than man B should have another yacht - without being subjective.

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