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The weakening of the liberal socialists

It has been several months since I last posted to this forum, This it the post which created such negativity among the liberal socialists, and there were others.

It is only with the courage of the revolutionary soldier of communism that it can be placed in power - the power of the proleteriat over the vile kings of capital cannot come about without the vanguard for as Lenin knew - the working class only has the trade union consiousness - not the mass consciousness required for our socialist future!

Only Barry Stoller has braved the forum with this truth, the others seem to be liberal socialists who would merely dream!

I shall post again on this matter!!

Follow Ups:

• There can be no freedom without INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS Aaron P Dimmel November 15 1999 (2)
  • in case you have trouble stomaching Stoller's view of freedom David USA November 16 1999 (0)
  • Yadda yadda yadda Stoller November 15 1999 (0)
• I wouldn't go quite that far.. Kweassa the Great March November 11 1999 (1)
  • you must! Marcos scientific socialism November 12 1999 (0)
• Talking to the opportunists Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA November 10 1999 (0)
• Why is trade union and mass consciousness contradictory? Lark November 10 1999 (2)
  • It is not socialism Marcos scientific socialism November 12 1999 (1)
    • Then Socialism is the party conciousness of bureacrats and new kings? Lark November 15 1999 (0)
• A bombast from the past bill November 10 1999 (0)
• I hear you! Stoller November 10 1999 (17)
  • Yes Comrade! Marcos Scientific Socialism November 12 1999 (1)
    • And yes again, comrade Stoller November 14 1999 (0)
  • Totalitarianism isnt freedom, there can be no socialism without freedom. lark November 10 1999 (14)
    • There can be no true Marxism without totalitarianism. Dr. Cruel November 11 1999 (8)
      • I think there's a difference between Marx and the marxists Lark November 12 1999 (7)
        • Marxism is discredited in the western world. DonS USA November 14 1999 (6)
          • The perceived security of the bourgeois Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA November 15 1999 (5)
            • The subject was Orwellian horrors, not green fantasy DonS USA November 17 1999 (4)
              • You think you're safe? Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA November 17 1999 (3)
                • He doesn't have confidence in the current fascist government that runs the US DonS USA November 19 1999 (2)
                  • He's just an ideologue Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA November 19 1999 (1)
                    • The people who live off my labor are the various scum who collect government paychecks. DonS USA November 24 1999 (0)
    • There can be no freedom without SOCIALISM, you mean Stoller November 11 1999 (4)
      • Freedom without socialism is inequity and privilege, Socialism without freedom is brutality and slavery - Bakunin Lark November 12 1999 (3)
        • Who are you talking to? Stoller November 14 1999 (2)
          • You where refering back to his statement Lark November 15 1999 (1)
            • The beef Stoller November 15 1999 (0)