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This ol' boy needs an enema...

Posted by: Mike Bacon ( Texa$, USA ) on September 02, 1998 at 00:49:42:

In Reply to: Texas can swallow the truth... posted by Quincunx on September 01, 1998 at 00:34:26:

...or 48 oz of Sunsweet Prune Juice! Qx is starting to sound as grumpy and constipated as Gerard!!!

: Qx: Tough shit bub. I won't and if you can accept that some people are sycophants, courtesans , brown-nosers then you can accept that guy is posting as gospel truth and tell me about the Bible.

MB: But you seem to accuse everyone who says he/she likes his job of being sycophants or mouthpieces for business.

: Qx: McD Worker is wrong but with the delicate window dressing of feigned reasonableness. Kinda like a good ol' boy.

MB: I've never been to his store...even to Canada, but I do have the feeling he's speaking for himself.

: Qx: I know that so if you think I look at all workplaces in that light then your wrong but then again if some people complain about the working conditions at McD's you have to post a reply that any straw boss on a plantation would love. There's a problem there. Maybe it's because the Sixties never happened in Texas. Your sympathies with authority figures is evidence enough.

MB: Wait a minute! I suggested that they do whatever they can to work out the differences between them and the owner/management, and if it's a lost cause, polish the resume, and see if Taco Bell, Taco Bueno, maybe Whataburger or Dairy Queen is hiring...or maybe check out Albertson's, Tom Thumb, or Winn Dixie to name a few supermarkets. Walking out like they did, look what that got them! And painting "Go Union" on their foreheads projected an unprofessional image. I know if I was a [would-be] customer at that Ohio McD's, and saw that, I would have bailed out of there, got in the truck, and looked for another place to eat. What if I painted on my forehead "XYZ Bank Sucks!" and customers saw me with my i.d. badge in the lobby, or outside getting cash from the ATM? I would be fired lickety-split WITHOUT severence pay or unemployment to fall back on.

As for the Sixties, Texas wasn't immune from what went on during that time anymore than the rest of the country, at least from what I hear. But I must confess, I was only 3 1/2 when Jimi Hendrix torched his axe, and smashed it over his amplifier at that Monterey Pop gig. ...and I was 5 going on 6 when Max Yasgur's pasture was turned into the World's Biggest Stage for that famous Aquarian event in late summer of '69. Were you or anyone else from the Great White North among the counted "half-million" there? Just curious!

Qx:: Often enough you've told people who complain that they can always get another job somewhere else. Well, King George III said that Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson could move to another country if they didn't like his style of governance. You're using George the Third's logic and consistently at that.

MB: Locating another job, landing it, THEN giving 2 weeks' notice is a much better move and makes you look better than walking out on strike or saying "Get fucked!" and then quit. In GM's case the employees in Flint only strengthened the automaker's resolve to move much of its manufacturing to Mexico. You never know, Ford might be hiring! Regarding the Louiseville and Kalamazoo McD strikes: again I can't help but wonder if these are just copycat strikes by a bunch of bored suburban youths. And back to Macedonia: did the owner really fly in 90 execs just to tell the employees to "shut up talking this union shit"..or was it really more like 5 guys from the district office advising them to grow up and handle the situation in a more mature manner? These aren't declarations, Qx, but merely questions I brought up because I don't automatically accept what I read and hear. I aim these questions at any unbiased source who might have witnessed all these strike events. Read: UNBIASED to either side.

: Qx: Very good. So can I. It's well spun spin and with added coaching like that he could be writing editorials for business magazines in no time at all. Perhaps you just think he genuine because you agree. That's the most likely truth to this.

MB: Nope! McD Worker just sounds a lot more sensible, and is not spouting all those worn-out cliches such as "Capitalism must die", "Close down all McDs!", and "Fire the goddam boss!" And Bryan Drapp did mention the ridiculous goal to close down the entire McD's organization. I'm sorry but with me, silly statements like that raise flags and induce me to question one's judgment and what one posts. One more thing... McD Worker has acknowledged that some locations are bad, and that he doesn't agree with everything about the chain. Cara Russel doesn't give the chain a perfect score either. She mentioned that planners need to come up with more innovative products, and I've expressed similar sentiments many times. She also made it clear that the [here comes that dirty word, McSp!] Beanie Baby promotions are not her cup of tea.

: Qx: If you want to apologize for the tobacco companies then you should go and take that argument to OTHER MULTINATIONALS. As far as your niece getting fined for tobacco possession that's been going on in Texas for a long time. Maybe she should engage in civil disobedience or is that something that Texas never learned about while it hibernated during the Sixties?

MB: I used that as a rebuttal to your claim that big business "owns" the politicians, and "buys them off". As for "civil disobedience", a better alternative to that is to vote on election day [when you turn 18], write your representatives, and make yourself heard at city council meetings in a cordial, but firm manner.

: Qx: What kind of question is that? Did I, Jamal or Bryan ever claim to have a monopoly on the truth? I don't think so. Before you ask that question again maybe you should tell me the difference between Plato and Socrates and their views on the truth.

MB: Again, I was commenting on what I've been witnessing in these rooms. The disgruntled employees' claims of excessive abuse, and their missions to "close down McD's" are accepted, embraced without question, while anyone with an opposing view is flamed, accused of being a plant, having a manager's mentality, siding with authority, and in Cara's and McD Worker's case, accused of being sycophants, brainwashed, or being in training for composing whitewash articles. Again, in Macedonia's case, it appears that neither side is squeaky clean. Trolley Dolly commented on this from her perspective. She talks about "Kenwoods" in her "cut through the shite" post. Bryan does present the impression he has more than a bit of a "Kenwood" side.

: "Here I sit.
: Buns a-strainin'.
: Givin' birth to another Texan."

: - ubiquitious bathroom graffitti in the USA

MB: Chug-a-lug a big jug of prune juice, and you won't be "a-strainin'".

Finally, most people who live here are not as small-minded as you imply, nor do most of us live in trailer parks. (But I have considered buying a mobile home, and it's still a thought...)


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