Stu: I was reacting to overblown exaggerated rhetoric. Tell me I got that part wrong Q. Shame is quite appropriate to those who create huge
monsters (USA: mother of terrorism) to slay for their cause. The USA
is a great deal more than the alleged criminal actions of its baser
members.Qx: Sure the USA is a great deal more than the criminal actions of U.S. business interests. Waking up Americans to that fact is one step in the right direction. By using your argument shame can be used against Ronald Reagan for using the "evil empire" phrase when the USSR was already in dire straits according to some CIA estimates. (note: this was before Chernobyl)
: : Stu:I take great umbrage with those who who sloganeer with such snipets as "The terror on the big level is performed by polite and correct gentlemen in suit, attach case and credit card. The terror the rich upper classperform: against the poor majority on this planet is the biggest genocide ever committed".
: ::: Qx: Well, at least he's backing ot up and here's some more back up.Can you go word for word on this with anybody else here? C'mon Stu...give it a try.
Stu: Which part? Pick your favorite for comment.
Qx: I like the chapter entitled THE CRUCIFIXION OF EL SALVADOR. Should we discuss this at a later date?
: ::: Qx: Like the evils of Calvinism and the theological gymnastics used to defend the indefensible? Take the case of South Africa for example. The Dutch Reformed Church is little more than a joke and it isn't secular humanism that did it in.
Stu: I defend nothing here except for the hoards of capitalists that are indicted by Frode's initial post that have nothing to do with this.
Qx: I think it would be great if you rented a copy of a video entitled MISSING featuring Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek. It's really about Chile and what Kissinger, ITT and other US multinationals prodded the CIA to do by aiding and abetting that disgusting regime of Pinochet and the welfare state that the Chilean military established by turning the entire nation into a vast hacienda.
Stu: This isn't so difficult is it? Incidently, I'm not a Calvinist, nor am I a member of the Dutch Reformed Church. I was born into the Dutch Christian Reformed Church (entirely seperate from the DRC) and I attend a Baptist church today. Can we dispense with the constant references to these things since you inferred them incorrectly?
Qx: It's about time you told us what denomination you belonged to. I don't feel it's a totally incorrect inference anyhow. The Baptists aren't that far from Calvinists.
: Qx: How about charges of promoting a profoundly passive existence by thinking Jesus will pick up all the pieces when he lands in Jerusalem to end Armageddon? Not bloody likely to happen but it makes for great comedy while the world is coaxed into apathy by the present consumer lifestyle packaged as the American Dream. All the while corporate ideologues preach about the glories of globalization while the majority of the planet's population races to the bottom.
Stu: Sounds like your just about ready to suggest that all authority
: should reside in the one who has the right answer. The question is;
: who is that person and what is that answer?
Qx: Studies in wuthoritarianism might provide you with some answers.
Stu: If globalization scares you as it does me then who will combat it? The powers which are creating this massive movement are huge and it will take an awful lot of authority to combat them. There is no question that power is being centralized as we speak (are you surprised that I believe that?). It has to be before any one man can wield it. The anti-christ who is spoken of in Revelation and referred to in Daniel will be given all earthly authority from world leaders. If we fear the same thing for different reasons our solutuions for the problem are going to be just as different. I trust God to fix things that man messes up - not man.
Qx: I'm surprised to hread that from you Stu. After all, you are a free-market advocate of sorts. Perhaps you would like to see real fair-trade practiced instead of the veiled investors rights agreement (aka NAFTA) with the increasingly visible costs.That will rrequire collective actions and organizing. So as far as I'm concerned collectivists strategies are not over and done with. In fact I feel they are required in order to stall this beast.
Stu: That's why I asked Frode to give us his solution. I suspect his
: solution is some form of collectivism which has already been tried
: several different ways and failed. All man made solutions will fail.
: But stay optimistic Quincunx. I could be wrong and that special
: someone with that special idea might be right around the corner.
Qx: If you feel Frode's website isn't an attempt to make aware the abuses of the powerful and that spreading that awareness isn't part of a solution (or at least a start) then inferring that his political thinking is Sovietist will not sit well with me. His website doesn't seem very pro-Soviet and I'm pretty much an anarcho-syndicalist but definitely not of a militantly atheistic bent. Stay optimistic also Stu. We're not members of the evil empire (whatever that is). And please don't be too skeptical about collectivist solutions or all the churches might as well throw in the towel too.
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