: Stoller: FIRST come the relations, then the ideology.bill:
The ideology of "democracy" was used by capitalists against King George. As we all know from the Federalist Papers it was a sham - but it served its purpose. This was an ideology STOLEN from the disenfranchised class - "In the name of the people" ...yeah, right.
That was the point I was attemtping to make...
I'm not so sure we're really in a big disagreement here...
Stoller:
Obviously 'democracy' was promoted to those (the proletariat & peasantry) who ACTUALLY fought the bourgeoisie's wars FOR THEM . AND property rights (with the implication that there was plenty of property to go around...) was promoted to them as well.
bill:
Yes...using the proletariat's weapon against them. Subterfuge.
Stoller:
But the property relations cannot stay as they are now... Otherwise, it's just more liberal blather---like the type General George and his homeboys sold to the proletariat and the peasantry over two hundred years ago.
bill:
True - but blather isn't selling well these days judging by the degree of cynicism in the electorate.
And that's good.
Stoller:
There must be ACTION to BACK UP the talk.
After all more blather about 'democracy' won't change things.
bill:
Whose talk?
The proletariat's talk.
We need a party that is willing to LOOK OUTSIDE electoral politics when considering the options.
None.
