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Why not abolish all wages, all money...

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party of Great Britain, UK ) on June 22, 1998 at 16:02:59:

In Reply to: Socialism must move forward! posted by Barry Stoller on June 19, 1998 at 10:32:49:


: I would like to suggest a tactic that is perhaps a little less heroic, a little less dramatic, but very much grounded in positive, proactive social change. The tactic is socialist intentional community. Eschewing both the 'all or nothing' tactics of state-seizure 'vanguard' parties and the quest for higher wages of trade unionism, the Utopia 2000 movement encourages the formation of socialist 'islands' that initially do not seem to challenge capitalist hegemony yet incrementally work towards withdrawing more and more (supply and demand) resources from the capitalist economy.

Hmm- like TPTB won't try and wipe something like that out if it becomes too danbgerous, and how is it to maintain itself?

: Utopia 2000's goal is to create independent trade economies between different socialist communities. Advantages to this form of socialism

Sounds a bit like lifestylism to me....divisive and won't work, certainly won't bring about world wide socialism...

: Quoting Marx and advocating democratic centralism ('still disciplined enough to carry out the wishes of the majority') will not advance socialism in the 21st century any further than it did in the 20th. (For example, what constitutes a 'majority'? Is it 51%, 75%, 90%, or complete consensus? What recourse would the minority have to advance
The vast majority will do nicely, enough peopel to sustain socialism, and to ignore the threats of teh state and side-line reactionary minoirties...

its claims? If all decisions are 'final' after debate, what would attract new members?) As Lenin made clear, the state is an instrument of coercive mediation between classes, whether controlled by the proletariat or the bourgeoisie.(2) As history has made clear, the
yep, and Lenin was a wanker, socialists ought to be about abolishing teh state, not building a shiny new one...

working class has an intrinsic, deep-rooted suspicion towards state apparatus---rejecting even (Keynesian redistributive) collective gains in favor of individual (libertarian 'tax cut') gains. Socialism must free itself from the monopolizing grip Marxism (state socialism) has had upon it for the last 100 years in order to move forward!

Marx did not avdvocate state socialism, that was Lenin's little twist...

: The 'left' can always be counted upon to agree that capitalism is a rapacious social structure. Nonetheless, the left has offered many different policies for distributing material and social goods in more equitable ratios. The problem, as Utopia 2000 sees it, is that left tendencies often minimize or evade entirely the issue of division of labor.(3) Significantly, Marx himself defended division of labor---the notion that some people will work in the factories while others will work in the offices, and so on, receiving varying wages as a consequence.(4) However, as long as labor is divided (into skilled and unskilled), interests will inevitably divide amongst society. This issue is much more than 'fine tuning of activity and strategy'!

Its unlikely that Marz advoacted anything of teh sort, except as a temporary measure towards abolishing money (the final goal) MArz wanted to see teh end of teh wages system- although he backed money time vouchers, he saw them as a stop gap, and one that socialists feel would be unnecessary now that capitalism is so fully devloped...

: Utopia 2000 is to the left of Marxism. Utopia 2000 advocates an equal distribution of both skilled and unskilled work as well as complete wage standardization. What is lost in productivity would be gained in

Why not abolish all wages, all money...


: Promising abundance to all is the great tradition of Marxism.(9) However, abundance is always predicated upon increased productivity which is predicated upon an ever hypertrophied division of labor. Division of labor, however, cuts a section of the population free from unskilled work, which creates a skilled class of individuals not subjected to the same contingencies as everyone else. This inevitably establishes hierarchy, which necessitates abridging the liberty of many. As a socialist tactic, promising abundance will never compete with capitalism's promises of abundance. Socialism must free itself from Marxism, abundance, and the division of labor. Socialism must employ new tactics, new promises, and new incentives that truly distinguish it from capitalism.

marx 9german Ideology) actually forsaw an end to division of labour under communism, and teh model you outline above relies upon a model of contnuation of teh wages system...

For real Socialism Check out the Wold Socialist movement...
: Tomorrow's slogans: Job rotation for all! Government participation for all! Equal contingencies for everyone! Move socialism forward!


: Notes:

: 1. For example, one community might operate by consensus, another by a 'planner-manager' system, and another by traditional majority rule.

: 2. See The State and Revolution, Lenin's Selected Works, Moscow: Progress Publishing, 1968, pp.266 and 286.

: 3. Classic revolutionary texts that fail to address division of labor include: (a) The Communist Manifesto, (b) Bill of Rights Socialism (Gus Hall, CPUSA), and (c) Arguments for Revolutionary Socialism (John Molyneux, SWP).

: 4. See Capital, vol. I, International, 1967, pp. 357-58, and Wages, Price, and Profit, Marx & Engels' Selected Works, International, 1968, pp.210-11.

: 5. 'A number of men are to divide a cake: assuming that the fair division is an equal one, which procedure, if any, will give this outcome? Technicalities aside, the obvious solution is to have one man divide the cake and get the last piece, the others being allowed their pick before him. He will divide the cake equally, since in this way he assures for himself the largest share possible.' (John Rawls)
: Now substitute jobs for cake: if you were to choose between a 50% chance of being trained for and assigned a skilled job and a 50% chance of being trained for and assigned an unskilled job, or a 100% chance of being trained for and assigned a 50-50 cut of each type of work, what would you choose?---the 50% risk of always having to do unskilled work or the guarantee of doing skilled work at least 50% of the time?

: 6. The 'proletariat' as grave-digger of capitalism. However, if you place an American 'proletariat (say, a UPS driver) in Mexico or the Philippines (along with his or her running water, television set, and Ford Escort) suddenly the 'proletariat' becomes an 'opportunistic' member of the middle-class.

: 7. See Skinner, Contingencies of Reinforcement: A Theoretical Analysis, Appleton-Century-Crofts, 1968, pp. 29-50; The Design of Experimental Communities, Cumulative Record (3rd ed.), Appleton-Century-Crofts, 1972, pp. 58-65; and Human Behavior and Democracy, Reflections on Behaviorism and Society, Prentice-Hall, 1978, pp.3-15.

: 8. Unless one wishes to take the dubious position of insisting that Russia, China, Poland, Yugoslavia, GDR, Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam all 'misinterpreted' Marxism.

: 9. See Lenin, The Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government, op. cit., p. 405; Stalin, Foundations of Leninism, International, 1939, p. 126; Trotsky, Literature and Revolution, Russell & Russell, 1957, pp. 249-53; Mandel, Marxist Economic Theory, vol. II, MR Press, 1968, pp. 663-64; and Sweezy, Modern Capitalism and other essays, MR Press, 1972, p. 97.



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