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Splunge!

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, UK ) on March 11, 1999 at 12:40:50:

In Reply to: No you resort to mere words posted by Joel Jacobson on March 10, 1999 at 11:35:39:

: Okay, what you want me to start doing, just like all my Randian friends, is defining my terms. But this always results in an exercise of futility. Every word I define is based upon more words which, in turn, is based upon even more words.

How Derridean of you, however the Austinian approach would be to enumerate the speech act conditions of the word, and the hegelian would be to identify the master signifier that stops the metonymical slippage of teh words. Langugae can work, since we can clearly speak to and understand one another, so perhaps you can define your terms to such an extant that mere mortals can understand. Otherwise it appears as Vapid sophistry, and badly applied post-structuralism.

: If you'd followed the debate I have made it quite clear, several times, that essentialism claims to look at things 'as they are' as opposed to asking how we interact with them and how they interact with each other. Reducing all reality to the existance of the wage relation is pure essentialism.

Erm?!?! But the wage REALTION is looking exactly at how things interact, rather than what they are, we are not defining workers by some inner secret, by some eternal idea, by some set of definitions internal to worker- a worker appears only through interaction with the capitalist.

The words argument, water and blown out of, spring to mind in one order or another.

: No. You have ideas but continuously fall back upon essentialist definitionism to support your ideas.

Where as you fall back on ridiculous posturing and vapid sophistry.

: I have no answer for this. Show me specific real world experiments we can engage in to make the world a better place to live.

Abolish money, abolish the nation state, socialise the economy...

: The whole post was showing the fallaciousness of 'exploitation' as envisioned by Marx and his erroneous ananlyses of power and relationships.

To exploit is to use, we exploit fields, we exploit rivers and coal and gold- exploitation happens to objects, humans are subjects, but workers are subjects tret like objects.

: But Sammy-Boy you still are an asshole.

I hate that, why do americans call it the 'ass' its Arse! roll that 'r', feel the arse in your m,outh, enjoy it...listen to teh Scots folk 'Bill, yer an arrrrse!'

I'll not continue this thread, ever, unless you pull something spectacular out of the bag now.



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