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                                             KIM MOFFATT, Cross-examined:
 
 
 
     1        someone in and they would clock someone out, and that is
     2        what I checked, that someone has clocked in and clocked
     3        out; so perhaps I might have highlighted it, they may not
     4        have had a break.  But if it was less than four hours, they
     5        do not clock in and out for their break, so I would not
     6        have -- I would have just queried it for that.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  When you say altering of clock cards, you
     9        mean the actual file which is printed out by the computer,
    10        do you, rather than a card which is put in itself?
    11        A.  It is done on the computer, just using the card
    12        number.  So, say my number was 6 and someone wanted to
    13        adjust mine, they would go in and just number 6 on the
    14        computer.
    15
    16   Q.   But it is not actually happening on a clock card itself
    17        which is put into a machine?
    18        A.  No.
    19
    20   Q.   Because all the clock card is, under this system -- not
    21        like the clock cards in the old days where you actually
    22        stamped the time on your card or punched a hole in a
    23        certain part of it ---
    24        A.  No, it is not like that.
    25
    26   Q.   -- all the clock card is doing is sending the message?
    27        A.  Yes.
    28
    29   Q.   -- which puts the time on to the computer?
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:  So the altering of clock cards for the
    33        under-18s  -----
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can we call them clock card files, because
    36        clock cards are not altered.  It took me a long to time to
    37        realise that when people say the clock cards are altered,
    38        they do not mean that the clock cards are altered.
    39
    40   MR. MORRIS:  Altering of the clock card file, from time to time
    41        you would note that someone who may have been clocked out
    42        officially at, say, 12.39, who was under 18, had been
    43        shunted back to 11.39?
    44        A.  No, I have never seen that.
    45
    46   Q.   So, is it the fact, then, that other Managers would say,
    47        "That is the practice that we are doing, that if someone
    48        works past 12, then-----"
    49        A.  They would never say that to me because, obviously,
    50        I would have to go back and tell my Store Manager that, you 
    51        know, someone worked past midnight on that day.  I am just 
    52        saying that I knew that it went on; I was aware of it, but 
    53        only as a second -- you know, because obviously I hear
    54        people talking.
    55
    56   Q.   Other Managers?
    57        A.  No, mainly crew members saying that they worked past,
    58        you know -- it is just, I did not really experience it
    59        firsthand.
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