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                                            SEMIR KHAZNA, Cross-examined:
 
 
 
     1   Q.   It would save us getting documents if we could just have
     2        some evidence on it, but -----
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  These figures, as we understand it -- I am
     5        not asking the witness but I am declaring it so that I can
     6        be put right if it is wrong -- include all hourly paid
     7        people, including training squad and Floor Managers, so
     8        that is the average figure including them?
     9
    10   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, I think Helen asked those questions this
    11        morning to identify how many were hired and the level paid.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I remember that.  I do not think there
    14        is, if I may interpose it here in case you are thinking
    15        about it, any real need for you to go further because
    16        judgments are always subjective to an extent.  The area of
    17        the world I have been most familiar with for the last many,
    18        many years is London and the South East.  So, if I have got
    19        a figure for a West London store and I am told by the
    20        witness, unless there is reason to doubt it, that is about
    21        the bottom of the bracket of his stores which are all in
    22        the Greater London area, that is going to mean much more to
    23        me than finding out what the position is in Nottingham or
    24        Manchester or somewhere like that where I have less
    25        personal experience of what people have been paid.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You can always, if you choose to, dig into
    30        the New Earnings Survey.
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    33
    34   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  One does occasionally spend an idle moment
    35        looking in newspaper shop windows at what people are
    36        offering for various kinds of jobs there or the adds in
    37        one's local paper.  One is entitled to take that into
    38        account as part of one's general fund of knowledge.
    39
    40   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  Bearing in mind, of course, that people do
    41        not get paid for their breaks at McDonald's.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You can take all that into account.  A lot of
    44        those jobs are cash in hand and no questions asked.
    45
    46   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  Do you think that people enjoy
    47        working at McDonald's?
    48        A.  Yes, I do.
    49
    50   Q.   And people do not mind working very hard? 
    51        A.  Some actually enjoy it. 
    52 
    53   Q.   And that they do not mind having short breaks?
    54        A.  It is -- they know exactly what they are allocated for
    55        their breaks.  Some to tend to cut it short because they do
    56        not want to sit around doing nothing, you know, sitting in
    57        the crew room.
    58
    59   Q.   They do not mind earning only £3.40 an hour or something or
    60        if they are starters they are on 3.15 an hour unpaid
 
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