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DAY 214
DAVID ROBERTS, Cross-examined:
1 MS. STEEL: Perhaps if we all look at them again. If I just
2 say, I have done it for the period before, so I can give
3 you the figure for that as well.
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5 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I would like you to do, just so that
6 I can put it in the margin of my note, is give me the sheet
7 number that you got your figures off.
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9 MS. STEEL: It will be three sheets, I think. It starts on
10 page 63, 64 and 65.
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12 MR. RAMPTON: I do not think there is any discrepancy for sheet
13 65, which is the end of the period in which Mr. Roberts
14 started. I have 137 total number of names; I have 13 new
15 starters from 25th June, which was when Mr. Roberts took
16 over; and, in addition to that, I have whatever it is that
17 makes up 32 in total of the zeros. What I am saying rather
18 badly is that of those 32 zeros, at least 13 are new
19 starters under Mr. Roberts; and there are, in addition to
20 that, I think, a number of new starters under -----
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I suggest it is left there, because my
23 experience of litigation is that one can spend quite a bit
24 of time during the evidence with these elegant
25 calculations, and then, when one comes to speeches, a broad
26 point turns out to have more power. That is not to say
27 that I will not consider the accurate figures. All that is
28 necessary, I think, for the moment is that Ms. Steel has
29 given the page numbers and the figures she gets, and that
30 can be checked over if it is thought fit.
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32 MS. STEEL: If I just say, because for the period before, the
33 period before, the fortnight before, which starts on
34 page 58, 5th June to 18th June, there are 118 people on the
35 payroll, according to my calculations, of which 34 worked
36 no hours; and I have actually checked that 17 of these did
37 work again at a later date, so they were not people who
38 should have been taken off. They all worked again within
39 the next month or so. But, in any event, there is -----
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Rampton's figures for the period before
42 that were 118 and 33; and you said yesterday -- I think you
43 agreed the 118, or were not in a position to challenge it.
44 You have just mentioned 118, but you had 29 who were
45 zeros.
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47 MS. STEEL: I had been doing it from the "net pay" column, the
48 zeros there; and because Mr. Rampton said he actually did
49 it from the hours, I went through again and did it from the
50 actual hours worked as opposed to the "net pay" column.
51 Previously, I just counted up all the zeros in the "net
52 pay" column.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If we are going to go into this degree of
55 particulars, what I think I probably need at the end of the
56 day is what figure you get and how you get it from the
57 documents as to the numbers of people who do appear to have
58 been doing any kind of significant amount of work at the
59 time.
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