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     1        I saw them in my offices.
     2
     3   Q.   When you say your office, you mean the OVS's office?
     4        A.  That is right.
     5
     6   Q.   I cannot remember whether we discussed this last time,
     7        because I do not have total recall.  The staff of Jarrets
     8        do not have access to the documents in the OVS office, do
     9        they, unless the OVS gives permission?
    10        A.  No.  But copies of these documents goes to Jarrets,
    11        Bob Jarret.
    12
    13   Q.   Apart from those two disagreements that you have with
    14        Mr. Bone -- well, there are really three, because he says
    15        there is only one man who does the whole of the stunning
    16        and sticking operation, whereas you say there were two when
    17        you were there -- apart from that, you disagree about the
    18        presence of a pithing rod sterilization unit and you
    19        disagree about the existence or, at any rate, the evidence
    20        of a hide chain sterilizer?
    21        A.  That is right.
    22
    23   Q.   Apart from that, as I understand it, apart from some things
    24        which I think you say are fairly minor, so far as this plan
    25        is concerned, you agree that it is accurate?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   Q.   So, can we take it that there are, therefore, all the
    29        washing points and sterilization points which are marked on
    30        this map now and when you were there?
    31        A.  As far as I can remember, yes.
    32
    33   Q.   Looking at the plan, this large scale plan, can you tell
    34        us, please, which of the operatives that are marked does
    35        not have convenient access to a hand wash and sterilizer
    36        for his instruments?
    37        A.  Well, we can start from the beginning of the slaughter
    38        line.
    39
    40   Q.   Sorry, my fault, can you start again?
    41        A.  I start from the beginning of the slaughter line.  Like
    42        I said, the man who hoists the animal up, he said that with
    43        the speed that he had to or felt he had to work, he did not
    44        have time to use the sterilizer because it was too far.
    45
    46        The man who bleeds the animal who stands in the blood
    47        trough, in my opinion, did not have access, whether he
    48        wanted or not, he did not have convenient access to the
    49        hand wash and sterilizer.
    50 
    51        The man who works under the platform removes the front feet 
    52        -- under the transfer hoist platform -- he did not have 
    53        access to sterilizer or hand wash facility, near enough, or
    54        he had access to an apron wash or -- yes, he did not have
    55        access.  They often used the head wash facility, which is a
    56        bit like an apron wash facility, to rinse their hands, but
    57        there was no sterilizer there.  He is the third man.
    58
    59   Q.   Please pause there.  You say there is no sterilizer there?
    60        A.  Yes.
 
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