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DAY 217
1 for gloves, for aprons or for other instruments that are
2 used like axes and saws that are used in the boning hall.
3
4 Q. What you told us last time was: "An additional concern
5 that I had in the boning hall was that the implements and
6 the tools that were used in the boning hall were not
7 sterilized properly during a working day". Did you mean
8 that or do you mean what you are telling us now which is
9 different?
10 A. How is it different?
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12 Q. Why were not the tools, if you meant the knives, properly
13 sterilized by use of these batch knife sterilizer units
14 that we can see on the plan?
15 A. Only knives were; all the other implements and tools
16 and -------
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What you are saying is that gloves and aprons
19 were, the metal gloves and aprons?
20 A. And the axes and the bigger knives and the saws were
21 not. As far as I am concerned, knives are a very small
22 part of the equipment that are used in a boning hall.
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24 MR. RAMPTON: Do not bother to change maps at the moment, but
25 I want to go back to the bins which you originally called
26 "trolleys", but can we call them "bins" for the moment
27 which are later put on to trolleys?
28 A. Yes, that is fine.
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30 Q. First of all, for one lot of bits and then for another lot
31 of bits during the course of the process which you say were
32 moved across the line when it was moving?
33 A. Yes.
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35 Q. How often did you see that?
36 A. Well, every time I saw it I stopped it from happening.
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38 Q. I am sure. I want to know how often you saw it in the
39 course of your 124 hours?
40 A. I saw it daily at the beginning when I started working
41 there, and I assumed that it was the practise that had --
42 there was a certain amount of surprise was expressed when
43 I intervened.
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45 Q. Mr. Bone is right, it is supposed to take place during
46 breaks, is it not? The morning break, the lunch break and
47 after close of business?
48 A. Particularly when the -- during the breaks, if the line
49 has been emptied, but if the line still has carcasses
50 hanging on it and, as I said earlier this morning, the men
51 who were responsible for moving that trolley onto the hides
52 and skins room side were the same slaughtermen who operated
53 in that area of the slaughter house, and they obviously
54 wanted to get on to their break as soon as possible. So
55 what they attempted to do was to push the trolley through
56 while the carcasses were still hanging on that part of the
57 slaughter line.
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59 Q. Bear with me. Perhaps, my Lord, this is comment, I do not
60 know. If, as you say, the carcasses are moving in a speed
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