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                                                                  DAY 233
 
                                                  HOWARD LYMAN, Examined:
 
 
 
     1        the area?
     2        A.  Absolutely.  I mean, what you are doing is, you are
     3        feeding them a water that is contaminated, and it goes
     4        right on through all of the species.  It is not unusual to
     5        see dead animals around lagoons from factory feedlots.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you should leave it there.  When we
     8        had the run-off before, it was specifically related to
     9        destructions of forest and no regeneration, and so on; and
    10        I can see that there might be an argument that that had a
    11        relevance.
    12
    13   MS. STEEL:   OK, I will just read on.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But not this.
    16
    17   MS. STEEL: "The public lands in the US are in the worst shape
    18        from animal abuse, and the overwhelming majority of it is
    19        classed as far below optimum.  This animal abuse is not
    20        limited to any one country but is common in almost all
    21        grazing countries.  Attempts by third world countries to
    22        export meat as a way of producing" -----
    23
    24   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, now we are getting into territory about
    25        which Ms. Steel should be careful to ask Mr. Lyman whether
    26        he has any direct evidence.
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:   I was not actually going to ask any questions about
    29        this.
    30
    31   MR. RAMPTON:  Then I do not think it should be read.  The same
    32        applies to a good deal of the next statement, too.  I had
    33        assumed that this was based on direct experience.  It is
    34        not, and it should not be read.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You see the second paragraph on that page,
    37        Mr. Lyman -- forget the first which we have been through
    38        and forget the third for the moment -- where is your
    39        information for "This animal abuse is not limited to any
    40        one country"?  Is that just things you have read?
    41        A.  That is not just countries that I have read, but
    42        countries I have travelled to; but I have not travelled to
    43        the rainforest.
    44
    45   MS. STEEL:   So if we leave it after "is common in almost all
    46        grazing countries"; I will not read out the rest of that
    47        paragraph.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    50 
    51   MS. STEEL:  "My experience in animal production convinces me 
    52        that destruction of the natural land base by animals under 
    53        the control of humans is out of hand.  If we do not control
    54        our animal numbers, we will cause damage to the environment
    55        that is irreparable."
    56
    57        What I have read from your statement -- and Mr. Morris will
    58        come back to the section on beef labelling -- are you happy
    59        for that to be taken as your evidence?
    60        A.  Yes.
 
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