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                                            HOWARD LYMAN, Cross-examined:
 
 
 
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     2   MS. STEEL:   I do not think that is quite what he said.
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     4   MR. RAMPTON:  -- telephoning round in the event of a shortage at
     5        a processing plant -----
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     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I did not understand that to be the
     8        situation.
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    10   MR. RAMPTON:  He said that they were people of poor education,
    11        very often.
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    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  (To the witness)  Was that the people phoning
    14        round who were of poor education, or the people working in
    15        the plant you said who were -----
    16        A.  The people working in the plant were, for the most
    17        part, very poorly educated.  The people making the phone
    18        calls were not the fourth grade educated people.
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    20   MR. RAMPTON:  Who is that, when the meat arrives at a processing
    21        plant, who is it, if anybody, that would look to see what
    22        its label said?
    23        A.  My experience would be no one would care.
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    25   Q.   Right.  Now then, I would like you to give me the names of
    26        the plants you are talking about, please?
    27        A.  The plants that I have been to?
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    29   Q.   Yes.
    30        A.  I have been to plants in Pascoe, Washington.  I have
    31        been to plants in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.  I have been
    32        to plants in Denver, Colorado, Salt Lake City, Nebraska,
    33        Kansas, Texas.  Those are areas, plants that I have been
    34        to.
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    36   Q.   When you say "plants", do you mean to say plants that take
    37        in fresh beef or frozen beef and turn it into some kind of
    38        other form, let us say, beef patties or ground beef?
    39        A.  They would take in both fresh and ground, depending on
    40        how they were set up; and what I am trying to represent is
    41        the industry as I know it.
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    43   Q.   As you knew it.  How closely are you involved in the
    44        industry now?
    45        A.  I would say that I do not travel in as many plants
    46        today as I used it to.  Given the opportunity, I still go
    47        to them.  I have a great interest in what is happening.
    48        I believe that it is going to be an integral part of what I
    49        see happening in the future.
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    51   Q.   You would perhaps agree with this, Mr. Lyman, that if the 
    52        person or the plant or the company that processes the meat 
    53        for supply to food retailers, by grinding it up, knows
    54        where the cattle that it is using the meat from are
    55        slaughtered, then we can forget all about this labelling
    56        business, can we not?
    57        A.  If they know that the meat is slaughtered domestically,
    58        yes.
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    60   MR. RAMPTON:   Thank you, Mr. Lyman.
 
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