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DAY 233
1 Answer: "The farmers in the area, whoever is going to sell
2 them the cattle, would deliver them to a spot or a
3 location." "Yes. Pedro Gomes in this case?" "In this case;
4 and then they would be loaded on the back of a truck...
5 the truck would then stop at different locations on its way
6 from Pedro Gomes all the way to Campo Grande."
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8 Then on page 17 at line 51, Mr. Morris says: "Let me just
9 see if we have got the chain clear. The yellow highlighted
10 areas are the collection points for a hinterland of
11 something between 200 and 300 kilometres; and then the live
12 cattle are taken, in your experience, to the four named
13 plants on this map, which slaughter and debone?" "Yes."
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do think that is equivocal; and what
16 concerned me -- you see, the trouble is, the plants are
17 yellow flashes as well, and that is why I asked the
18 question about -----
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20 MS. STEEL: Pedro Gomes.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. What I have to decide -- and it is part
23 of a judge's function -- is if there has been a sinister
24 change or whether, even though it has been spelt out to a
25 witness, he has misunderstood and is getting the wrong end
26 of the stick or not. I mean, that is part of one's job,
27 really.
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29 MS. STEEL: If I could just say, the best way of sorting that
30 out is that Mr. Cesca said that he prepared the map, the
31 yellow flashes on the map, from a list which he had been
32 given.
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Cesca prepared it. The whole point, if
35 it can be made against you here, is that Mr. Morganti did
36 that, and he said the areas are the places marked in yellow
37 on the map. So, whatever Mr. Cesca said, on the face of
38 Mr. Morganti's evidence, they come from reasonably nearby,
39 I would have thought, all the towns with yellow flashes;
40 and that is the point which would no doubt be made against
41 you on that.
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43 If I can ask a rhetorical question: what is the point of
44 having all these satellite yellow flashes to the plants --
45 with Goiana on one side, because there is a separate point
46 in relation to that -- if there are to be yet other yellow
47 flashes as satellites to the satellite yellow flashes?
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49 MR. MORRIS: Because when I -- in my view, Mr. Morganti's
50 statement was not 100 per cent clear on this; and I know
51 you did not agree at that time, but maybe, with the
52 hindsight of the evidence since, it is clear at the minimum
53 that there is ambiguity and confusion and grey areas, if
54 not yellow areas; and that the words using in Morganti's
55 statement are: "They obtain their cattle from these areas."
56 That is my recollection of Mr. Morganti's statement, which
57 did not specify at any time in his statement where the
58 cattle were actually reared. He talked about their
59 suppliers obtaining them; and if they are collection
60 points, then it is reasonable to suppose that they may be
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