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     1        show her as clear as anything.  Anyhow, she has admitted on
     2        affidavit that she is there.  So that is the first thing.
     3        For the following one, which was the 16th October 1990,
     4        there are both photographs and a video.  Again, she is to
     5        be seen on both of those.  Thereafter, the next one is the
     6        21st May 1991, and both Defendants are in both sets of
     7        record, and so on through the relevant documents.  They
     8        have become, obviously, of less interest as time goes by in
     9        some sense.
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    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know what the total length of all the
    12        videos or bits of videos to which Mr. Carroll refers is?
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  If one were to sit and see the whole of them?
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    17
    18   MR. RAMPTON:  No, I am afraid I do not but it is not agonisingly
    19        long.  They are pretty boring, so it is agonising in that
    20        sense, but they are not unduly long.  I watched them.
    21        Having said no, I do not know the answer; I think I
    22        probably do know the answer.  I watched them yesterday
    23        afternoon.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is Mr. Carroll in court?
    26
    27   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, he is, and I think it takes about an hour and
    28        a bit.  Yes, about an hour to see the whole lot.
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are they on different reels or have they been
    31        edited on to one?
    32
    33   MR. RAMPTON:  Each one is on a different reel.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They are all on different cassettes, are
    36        they?
    37
    38   MR. RAMPTON:  They are all at the beginning.  We have wound them
    39        all back and they start at the beginning.
    40
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So they are separate cassettes.  You go
    42        straight into that, rather than other material?
    43
    44   MR. RAMPTON:  That is right.  Each one is separate and each one
    45        has a date on them, and I have now got the dates correct.
    46        In addition, each of the recordings, I think I am right in
    47        saying, has actually got the date on the film; most of
    48        them.  But I doubt whether they are in the least bit
    49        controversial because, as I say, when the Defendants are in
    50        them, as Ms. Steel always is, and Mr. Morris is from the 
    51        21st May onwards, one can see them as plain as day.  That 
    52        is not a problem.  There are other people in them, of 
    53        course.
    54
    55        I would propose, the way I would examine Mr. Carroll is one
    56        done, at any rate, for most of this case; at any rate
    57        recently, is to ask him whether he made the statements
    58        which we have got and, in essence, whether they are true or
    59        not, and then leave him to be cross-examined.
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