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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is there anything more you want to say?
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     6   MR. MORRIS:  Obviously we are hoping that you decide that he
     7        should not be called this week.  If you do decide he should
     8        be called, then we certainly would not want to start our
     9        cross-examination until Friday, so that we have time to
    10        view some of the originals and check all the bundles.
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    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is there anything you want to say about
    13        Mr. Carroll, Mr. Rampton?
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    15   MR. RAMPTON:  No, except that on Friday Mr. Carroll has a
    16        personal difficulty, which I would rather not mention in
    17        open court, but it is a matter of some importance to him.
    18        It would be convenient to him if he could leave the court
    19        by the midday on Friday, at the latest.  It has to do with
    20        by a member of his family who is in Somerset.  It is not an
    21        ordinary family thing by any means at all.  If he can get
    22        to that event which I think is on Friday evening, I know he
    23        would be very grateful, which is why originally --
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    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What time is he contemplating leaving?
    26        It may be that if Mr. Carroll is called, personal
    27        convenience will have to be sacrificed, but what is the
    28        latest he could leave on the Friday?
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    30   MR. RAMPTON:  The latest he could conveniently leave would be at
    31        the midday adjournment.  I call it midday:  I mean 1
    32        o'clock adjournment on Friday.  I will tell your Lordship,
    33        because your Lordship is entitled to know I think.  The
    34        witness is asking for the indulgence of the court.
    35        Mr. Carroll has a 30-year old daughter who is Downs
    36        Syndrome child and she lives in sheltered accommodation in
    37        Somerset.  It is her 30th birthday, and he has undertaken
    38        to help her organise it.  She has asked most people in the
    39        village.  That is the reason she has.
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    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is the situation with regard to the
    42        documents which Ms. Steel you said she would like to
    43        inspect?
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    45   MR. RAMPTON:  Can I make a preliminary remark about that?  True
    46        it is that a lot of documents have Mr. Carroll's name on
    47        them.  That is simply because he, as Head of Security, is
    48        where they sent when they are received in different parts
    49        of the country.  There is no magic in that.  So far as
    50        I know, so far as any -- I say another preliminary thing, 
    51        so far as the documents relating to the 16th October 1989 
    52        are concerned, those documents have now been identified and 
    53        found; the originals.  One has a handwritten date on it,
    54        written by Mrs. Brinley-Codd which is back at Barlows and
    55        can be seen at once.  She has another one of the documents
    56        from that occasion here in court which she can easily show.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There may be some confusion.  There are a
    59        number of documents, TEC 1, 2, 3 and 4 or whatever, which
    60        are referred to in Mr. Carroll's statements.  Are they
 
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