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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  No.  We cannot find the original statement.  The
     3        Defendants will not be entitled to see the original
     4        statement anyway.  What they would be entitled to see is
     5        the original attachment.
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     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They are entitled to see the original
     8        exhibit.  Call them exhibits to it; the documents referred
     9        to.
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    11   MR. RAMPTON:  Call it what you like; I do not know where that
    12        is.  The fact is the original statement had exhibited to it
    13        copies of the documents anyway because the original signed
    14        statement was made in 1993, I think, which was long after
    15        the publication or most of the publications is referred to.
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    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are the originals of TEC1 et cetera, that is
    18        the documents actually referred to in the statements
    19        actually in court?
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    21   MR. RAMPTON:  One of them, which is the leaflet complained.
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  TEC1.
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    25   MR. RAMPTON:  And the photographs and the videos are.  The
    26        others, I think not.  If we started tomorrow at 10.30, we
    27        would undertake to bring the originals of the exhibits to
    28        court, or else to show them to the Defendants or whatever
    29        before then.
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    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That appears again in TC4.
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    33   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.  There is some duplication anyway.  The
    34        others are --
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Wherever we start Mr. Carroll, if I rise in a
    37        moment anyway, there is no reason why Ms. Steel and
    38        Mr. Morris should not be shown the original of TEC1, is
    39        there?
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    41   MR. RAMPTON:  None at all.  It is here.
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    43   MS. STEEL:  Can I just clarify something which your Lordship,
    44        and from what Mr. Rampton was saying.  The documents that
    45        are attached to Mr. Carroll's original statement, is he
    46        saying that they are not copies of the documents which
    47        Mr. Carroll says he picked up on that day?
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    49   MR. RAMPTON:  They are exactly that.  They are copies of
    50        originals which were picked up on the particular days and 
    51        the date of collection is on the top of each document. 
    52        Those copies were made from the originals for the purpose 
    53        of Mr. Carroll's original statement.  They are copies of
    54        originals and the original is ----
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    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not going to stop you asking these
    57        questions, but if it actually helps you, Mr. Rampton can
    58        only say what he his instructions are and that eventually
    59        goes back to Mr. Carroll.  So you are perfectly entitled
    60        when he is in the witness box, when Mr. Rampton having
 
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