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     1        "Church" and "State".
     2
     3   Q.   Churchill?
     4        A.  "Church" and "State", "Kings -- State", "Church--
     5        Bishop".
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is how he remembers, "Church and
     8        State"?
     9
    10   MS. STEEL:   Right.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It took me a while for the penny to drop!
    13         "Bishops" being "Church" and "Kings" "State."
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:   What was the full name of "Bishops", do you know?
    16        A.  No.  I know it was "Bishops".
    17
    18   Q.   Do you know how many private investigators were hired?
    19        A.  I have no idea.
    20
    21   Q.   You were not told; you just do not know?
    22        A.  It did not really come about; I do not remember how
    23        many.  I do not even remember if I was told how many.
    24
    25   Q.   The "Bishops" company, was that Mr. Brian Bishop?
    26        A.  I have no idea.
    27
    28   Q.   You do not know.  Have you met any of the inquiry agents?
    29        A.  I met whoever, either from Kings or from Bishops, on
    30        one or two occasions with Mr. Nicholson when they were
    31        reporting.  That was at the offices of our solicitors, but
    32        I could not remember their names.
    33
    34   Q.   When was that?
    35        A.  It must have been some time during 1990, but again the
    36        dates are hazy.
    37
    38   Q.   So was that before the writs were served?
    39        A.  I do not know.
    40
    41   Q.   Was it when they were still involved in carrying out
    42        inquiries?
    43        A.  Yes, it must have been, yes.
    44
    45   Q.   Were they male or female?
    46        A.  Who?
    47
    48   Q.   The inquiry agents that you met.
    49        A.  I said I do not know who they were.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, were they male or female?  One can 
    52        normally observe that? 
    53        A.  It was a man.
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:   A man; what about the other one?
    56        A.  I can remember one man.  I am not sure that I was
    57        present at Kings, or is it Bishops -- one or the other --
    58        I think I only met one of the people involved on a couple
    59        of occasions and I am not sure which one.  That was either
    60        Bishops or Kings.
 
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