Day 237 - 18 04 96 - Page 21

     1        A.  I think she is a little less than eight yards at the
     2        moment.
     3
     4   Q.   Maybe, Mr. Rampton is some distance further away ---
     5        A.  Certainly a goal post away.
     6
     7   Q.   -- and he could well be something like 35 feet away?
     8        A.  Half a cricket pitch.
     9
    10   Q.   If anyone wants to make more precise measurements, then, of
    11        course, they are at liberty to do so.
    12
    13   MS. STEEL:   That is very helpful.  I am not very good at
    14        judging distances.  (To the witness):  Were you
    15        specifically concentrating on me throughout the picket?
    16        A.  No.
    17
    18   Q.   You were not, so just from time to time you noticed me?
    19        A.  You were there, you were there to be noticed.
    20
    21   Q.   Yes.  What I mean is you were not standing there ---
    22        A.  Staring at you, no.
    23
    24   Q.   -- staring at me.  You mentioned yesterday a bit about
    25        banter, something going on between you and the protesters,
    26        I do not know, banter?
    27        A.  Repartee.
    28
    29   Q.   Repartee, sorry.  That included with Mr. Clarke, did it
    30        not?
    31        A.  Mr. Clarke -- who is Mr. Clarke?
    32
    33   Q.   Andrew Clarke?
    34        A.  I do not know Mr. Clarke.
    35
    36   Q.   If you look at photograph No. 3 -- I do not know if there
    37        is a better one -- he is the man with a camera in his hand
    38        facing towards the camera and partly obscured by the guy
    39        with a red flag or something stuck to his back?
    40        A.  Which one, over his left shoulder?
    41
    42   Q.   Yes.
    43        A.  With the glasses?
    44
    45   Q.   With the glasses, yes.
    46        A.  Possibly, yes.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you just hold on a moment.  Is that not
    49        the same man as in (16) or not?  They are both wearing
    50        green jackets, but it may be a completely different 
    51        person.  Is that somebody different? 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:  No, it is not the same one.  (To the witness):  Do
    54        you remember Mr. Clarke now?
    55        A.  He is one of the faces in the crowd, as far as I know.
    56        I did not know his name.  I do not particularly remember
    57        him.
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Honour, I think he is more likely the one in
    60        photograph (2) actually taking the photograph of the person
 
                                      21