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     1        which I gave a little while ago, I read quite carefully,
     2        because one did not have to be a genius to realise that an
     3        issue like this might arise when we went through it
     4        yesterday, and you must not ask any questions about gaps in
     5        that document.
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:   Can I just say, because I think it is important to
     8        put the entire argument, that Mr. Carroll is saying that
     9        the only people whose identities he knew was myself and Mr.
    10        Gravett.  If what is written there is about Mr. Gravett,
    11        that is no problem, I will not ask any more about what was
    12        there, but could Mr. Rampton confirm that it is about Mr.
    13        Gravett and not about, for example, Mr. Clarke, or somebody
    14        else?
    15
    16   MR. RAMPTON:  If it has to do with Mr. Clarke, it would be
    17        irrelevant anyway.  The fact it has to do with Mr. Gravett
    18        and it has to do with an aspect of Mr. Gravett's
    19        activities, if Mr. Gravett is relevant at all, which he may
    20        or may not be, an aspect of Mr. Gravett's biography, if you
    21        like, which is completely irrelevant to any issue in this
    22        case.
    23
    24   MS. STEEL:   Thank you.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I was going to say we have had thousands of
    27        issues on points of detail of admissibility -- that may be
    28        an exaggeration -- but it is not an exaggeration to say we
    29        have had hundreds, and I have to rule on them as they come
    30        up.  As you know and as 99 per cent of the time you have
    31        very fairly followed, you just must observe the rulings
    32        which I gave.
    33
    34   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  I mean, can I just point out that when we had
    35        the blanked out nutrition memo, we were allowed to ask the
    36        witness about what was in the document when the witness was
    37        in the witness box.  It turned out that it was relevant and
    38        it was disclosed.  So ---
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I do not agree with that at all.
    41
    42   MS. STEEL:  -- I assume -----
    43
    44   MR. RAMPTON:  I do not agree with that.  I am sorry.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was not conceded that it was relevant.
    47        Mr. Rampton said (and I have got no reason to doubt) that
    48        to bring an end to the repeated arguments about whether it
    49        should be disclosed or not, he would just disclose it
    50        anyway. 
    51 
    52   MS. STEEL:  I mean, the main point is that we were allowed to 
    53        ask about what was in that document.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, but they are all separate documents, and
    56        I have to judge these matters on the particular
    57        circumstances in relation to each.  You must observe my
    58        ruling, just as Mr. Rampton has to.
    59
    60   MS. STEEL:   Your statement was, in fact, prepared from this
 
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