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     1   Q.   In the same way were you actually given the address?
     2        A.  No.
     3
     4   Q.   You were not.  Can I just ask, I am a little bit worried
     5        about, thinking back about it, what Mr. Carroll said about
     6        what ARNIs were.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What?
     9
    10   MS. STEEL:  What ARNIs were.
    11
    12   THE WITNESS:  Animal Rights ------
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:  Whether it was -----
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not going to draw any inference that you
    17        have been involved in any activity which might be unlawful
    18        from anything which I have heard this morning  ---
    19
    20   MS. STEEL:   Right.
    21
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- to do with Animal Rights activities of any
    23        kind.  You need not think that the mention of that and, to
    24        be more precise anyway, you need not think that the mention
    25        of that unit and his understanding of what they did will
    26        reflect adversely on you in my mind.
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:   But just, I mean, I did say that, as far as
    29        I understand it, that is not the nature of the
    30        organisation.
    31
    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I did, I made a note that Mr. Carroll
    33        said:  "It is a branch of the Police dealing with animal
    34        liberation front anti-terrorist groups".  I do not pretend
    35        to have it word perfect.  Then I have put in brackets:
    36         "(HS says they observe all animal rights protesters and
    37        activities, not just anti-terrorist)".
    38
    39   MS. STEEL:   Yes, thank you.
    40
    41   MR. MORRIS:  If I can say, for the record, it is in my belief,
    42        not being an animal rights activist myself, that in
    43        thousands of actions by the Animal Liberation Front no
    44        animal or human has ever been injured.
    45
    46   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, we simply cannot have that.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is pointless saying that.
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  Because it has been described as "anti-terrorist" 
    51        there is nothing terroristic that needs to be ----- 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Really, I have said what I have said to
    54        reassure Ms. Steel about something she is anxious about.
    55        Just let us leave it there.
    56
    57   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  Unlike, of course, all the millions of
    58        animals that are tortured every day.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, no, Mr. Morris.  You have done pretty
 
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