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     1        handed).  If you could just say who that person is that you
     2        are standing with?
     3        A.   That is one Laurie, one of my security men.
     4
     5   Q.   He was the one you think was taking the photographs on the
     6        day?
     7        A.  Well, there was myself and him and I think Mr. Roots
     8        was as well.
     9
    10   Q.   What is his position?
    11        A.   He is the Regional Security Manager for London and the
    12        South.  At that time he was just a security manager.
    13
    14   Q.   At Head Office?
    15        A.   Yes.
    16
    17   Q.   Then if I hand that one up.  (Same handed).
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Which number is it?
    20
    21   MS. STEEL:   It is number 23.  Who are they?
    22        A.   David Hornblower is the one on the left, who is one of
    23        my security managers, or was.  He has since retired.  I
    24        have no idea who the one on the right is.
    25
    26   Q.   You do not know?
    27        A.   No.
    28
    29   Q.   Right.  In pink II tab 5, I think it is, in photograph
    30        number 17, do you see the man standing just above the word
    31        "Forest" in the big banner?
    32        A.   Yes.
    33
    34   Q.   Who is he?
    35        A.   I cannot recognize him from this.
    36
    37   Q.   If we hand up the originals, I do not know whether it might
    38        be a bit clearer?
    39        A.   He does not  -- (Same handed).  Yes, that is Jerry
    40        Southcott, who is the other maintenance man we have at Head
    41        Office.  He is obviously having a look as well to see what
    42        is going on.
    43
    44   Q.   Right.  The only other thing which I do not think was done
    45        yesterday -- we have not got copies of these, but can you
    46        say whether or not you were anything to do with those
    47        photographs being taken?
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Which ones are these?
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:   These are from October 1990. 
    52 
    53   MR. RAMPTON:   Your Lordship does not have those.  I am sorry, I
    54        did mention that yesterday.  They will be done.
    55
    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes, I remember you saying.
    57
    58   THE WITNESS:   I think I did.  Yes, I think I took those
    59        photographs.
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