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     3   THE WITNESS:   Shall I go down, your Lordship?
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think so, Mr. Carroll, please.
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     7   MS. STEEL:  I am going to fast forward it while it is on the
     8        screen because I am not 100 per cent sure where this is.
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    10                            (Video film played)
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    12   Q.   Is it on the right channel, do you know?
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    14   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, it is.
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    16                 (Video film continued to be played)
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    18   MS. STEEL:  That voice that we hear there, is that your voice?
    19        A.   I could not tell you.
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    21   Q.   I do not know whether the witness can go a bit closer?
    22        A.   I do not know whether it will make any difference. I
    23        just did not recognize my voice particularly there.  I can
    24        hear what is being said.  I just do not recognize it as
    25        being me.
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    27   Q.   Did you hear that?
    28        A.   I did, but I did not recognize it as me.  It could be,
    29        but not for -----
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    31   Q.   It was talking about somebody sitting on a wall and said:
    32        "It is probably the fucking undercover lady".  Do you
    33        remember saying that?
    34        A.   No.
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    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is that what was said?
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    38   MS. STEEL:  You can actually hear it.  This is not very good,
    39        kind of, hearing it, but I listened to it very carefully
    40        and that is what was said.
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    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Did you recognize that as what was said?
    43        A.   I certainly did not, my Lord.
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    45   MS. STEEL:  I mean, I do not know whether it might help if the
    46        volume was turned down a bit and Mr. Carroll stood nearer,
    47        because when it is loud it gets really distorted.
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    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will have to see, if it matters at the end
    50        of the day, whether we can get a clear reading, for want of 
    51        a better word, which the parties are prepared to agree as 
    52        to what was actually said.  But, at the moment you have 
    53        Mr. Carroll giving evidence and -----
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    55   MS. STEEL:  The point is that it sounds very like Mr. Carroll's
    56        voice to me.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You must not say that.  If it is important in
    59        due course, you can give evidence about it.
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