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Posted by: Stoller on November 10, 1999 at 15:58:52:

In Reply to: More on the 'threat' of democracy posted by bill on November 10, 1999 at 10:37:16:

: Nice argument.

Thanks for reading the post.

: But doesn't that just reinforce the idea of
: radical democracy
as a powerful ideological weapon - in the same way that "inviolable property rights" is the ideological weapon of choice for the privileged?

But property rights are NOT an ideological 'weapon,' Bill---property rights are a MATERIAL relation. Ideologies FOLLOW material relations---not vice versa.

You've got Hegel back on his feet again---and he's dangerous there.

Remember all our old debates about environment FIRST---then consciousness?

: And underlying the threat of democracy was the potential articulation of Marx's concept of alienation - a concept quickly hurled into the garbage can once decisions about economic output, plant efficiency, surplus labor, etc. were removed from an exploited class.

I wasn't defending Stalinism, my friend.

I thought I made it clear that he PREVENTED the humanistic goals of the original Bolsheviks.

We are REALLY backtracking here with the Cold War accusations, Bill...

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