: : Any ruler who rules in the name of justice and freedom, but who oppresses people, is a scoundrel, regardless of the political label they wear (or you slap on them).
: High five MDG, looks like it's me and you against the sects and would be despots, well we'll just oppose oppression and violence regardless of the author or the victim (including the wee fuzzies) and see if the actual oppressed, instead of some dream proletariat, thank us, the trots wont but then they've got so much influence anyway dont they.
"I'm Spartacus! No, I'm Spartacus!" There's more of us than them, Lark (by the way, that was in reference to the grown-up Spartacus, not the juvie youth league).
: : I guess you're talking about me with that "some inequality" remark. When did I ever advocate that? Anyway, I've got news for you: as Lark pointed out in another post, you'll never get rid of all inequality. You'll never have perfection. From one wage slave to another, you'd better face the facts that human existence will be wrought with inequality and brutality and all those other things people deplore. The best we can do is minimize, as much as possible, the bad.
: Er, I think it was me that made that some inequality remark and it's got twisted and applied to everyone who isnt in the church of Stroller, complete equality of income isnt my dream it's someone else's nightmare. I wasnt arguing that we'll have to accept the inequality though, I'm egalitarian so a suspiscion should be exercised on all inequality but some of it's legit. The inequality there is though is the sort of intellectual inequality there'd have been between me and Einstein or talent inequality between me and Bethoveen, uniqueness is inequality somepeople should deal with it.
Aha! So YOU'RE the crypto-fascist who made that remark! Shoulda known.
: : Hate away, but don't forget your antacids.
: Socialism that needs hatred wouldnt be something I'd like to subscribe to.
If I have to subscribe to something, it'll be "Mad" magazine.
: : : Please debate instead of running away with your tail between your legs.
: : Umm...Lark and I are both still here, Chuck.
: Yeah, I think he means 'I agree', 'I agree entirely', 'please can I kiss your ass Mr. Stroller' by debate, what do you think?
I think you're right. As I've said too many times now, I can't so much as utter a curious peep to some people without being labelled The Man.
It reminds me of the time I got into an argument with some guy on the street who was seeking support for the Shining Path. I told him I thought the oppression of the Peruvian people was horrible, but that murder of the people in the name of the people seemed a tad inconsistent. Big mistake. He launched into me as if I were the second coming of, oh, I dunno, some awful bloody dictator (like Mao, perhaps?) with a look in his eyes containing all the soul of a white shark. As far as I was concerned, he was just as dangerous as any fascist (hmmm...where have I heard those words before?)