: : Let me get this straight: you reject 'materialism' in favor of the 'intellectual or spiritual.' There's a big distinction for you on that point---eh?. As it turns out (proving Marx was correct when he posited that the mode of production determines the level of consciousness), some material things are necessary for you to get 'spiritual.'
: Marx, shmarx. I can get spiritual sitting outside on a starry night. Stop making assumptions about people based on one dead guy's musings.
You're right. This conversation is terminal.
: : Now, some fat cat capitalist will tell you (seriously) that HE needs a 40-room mansion with a view of the Pacific ocean crammed full of 17th century furniture to get 'spiritual.'
: If that's the ONLY way he can get spiritual, he has a problem. He ought to try diving, or sitting outside on a starry night.
Which proves the statement below:
: : The only difference is that you can justify YOUR possessions while you may reject his.
: : MY point is that SOCIETY AS A WHOLE should make these determinations.
: I haven't formed an opinion on that validity of that assertion yet...
Oh yes, you have. You want 'socialism' PLUS all the material and social privileges capitalism gives you now.
You're siting on the fence, ready to go with the best deal.
Like ALL liberals.