: : The two basic divisions are the political models of Sparta and of Athens. The former represents collectivization while the latter the importance of the individual.
: It's really funny to see:
: 1) an anti-homosexual defending Athens (no further comment)
: 2) a hardline Christian defending a society which had virtually no sserious religion worth speaking of,
: 3) a militarist defending a weak, soft city state which coulnd't defend itself,
: 4) soemone who idolizes 'success' paying his respects to a city-state that got their ass roundly kicked by the Spartans every time around.
: At least the Spartans didn't waste all their time trying to think up spurious defenses for slavery or inventing laughable physics, both of which were favorite pastimes of that jerk Aristotle.
Piper: That is a bit rough isn't it. Especially this last paragraph. Athens was a GREAT city (and had one of the great social reformers of history, Solon). Aristotle was a very great philosopher. So what if he defended slavery and his physics is outdated, that does nothing to change what he was. You are trying to judge him by your 'enlightened' 20th century viewpoint.
(judgements on your character omitted).