: : So no death penalty is a 'means to an end' eh stoller?
: I said the absence of the death penalty would be strategic for class struggle, not the other way around.
Piper: That's what i just said stoller.
: : 1) That shows a neglect of the moral issues involved.
: Morals, like rights, are not absolute and ahistorical.
: Like ideology, both morals and rights follow the material conditions and social relations of an epoch. For example, during times of war, many rights are suspended---and morals along with them. This demonstrates that both are social and historical constructs.
Piper: So you pay morality no heed eh stoller? Ever read anthing besides Marx/Hegel?
: : 2) Do you think the masses baying for blood would constite a good society (even if it was democratic).
: 'Baying for blood'? I'm not sure where you came up with this one---your head, perhaps?
Piper: derived it from the fact you said the death penalty could be institued 'democratically'.
You arrogant schmuck. I won't bother posting to you again.