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Posted by: Piper on February 04, 19100 at 22:52:58:

In Reply to: More ignorance, you mean posted by Barry Stoller on February 04, 19100 at 16:07:26:

: : BTW stoller punishment doesn't work, no matter how effective skinner thought it was.

: You just don't get it, do you? Skinner primarily opposed punishment because it was NOT effective.

: To wit: 'It is generally not convenient to shape skillful behavior with a negative reinforcer because it elicits many respondents which may conflict, be incompatible wih the behavior to be shaped' (Holland & Skinner, The Analysis of Behavior, McGraw-Hill 1961, p. 219 32-37).

: Discovering the scientific laws of punishment doesn't mean he ENDORSED them. Indeed, Skinner, through understanding those laws, wanted to replace them with POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT.

: Try reading a bit about a topic before you act like an expert.

Piper: Skinner thought punishment was effective for certain purposes.

i.e. pissing people off, making them run away or making them punch someones lights out.

Actually now i think about it i think that he was right about that...

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