- Capitalism and Alternatives -

Gee's fantasy world, part 3

Posted by: Samuel Day Fassbinder ( Citizens for Mustard Greens, USA ) on March 22, 1999 at 11:34:42:

In Reply to: yours posted by Gee on March 19, 1999 at 18:30:49:

: : SDF: And when the tenants occupying my land refuse to pay my exorbitant rent, I hire an army composed of other tenants, to evict them

: Your going to run out of money either way, as your prices wont attract any new tenants to replace the ones who chose not to pay. Just having money to start off with doesnt make you become richer.

SDF: In the real world, tenants have two choices: they may pay rent, or they can be homeless. "Choosing not to pay" means being homeless. Gee, of course, lives in a box under a bridge on the Thames, so he doesn't really care what the average tenant's "choice" implies. (I'm kidding, of course.)

: : SDF: Perhaps then people will sprout wings and fly. The whole mode of proceeding of this fantasy is to ignore the material basis of roads, the material basis for why people have NO CHOICE but to use them in order to get from point A to point B

: Really? If one steps off the side of a road one disappears into the ether?

SDF: In Gee's world, one doesn't have to use roads: one can drive into fences, into densely-wooded forests, into buildings, onto private property, anywhere one wants. This is why people in Gee's world don't have to use roads.

: Again, the road owner cannot survive without making money - he will run out if no one is using the road.

SDF: The road owners don't have to make money off their tolls -- they also own self-sufficient farms. They use their toll roads to further milk the public. If you can't pay, you can work the toll off, while you pay rent on the master's domain, all of which will amount to less than your wages.

: : SDF: And when the people in the village have chopped down all the trees (like they've done in places such as Newfoundland), we will make tables out of round boulders, and use them just like we would the wooden tables.

: Or plastic. It may surprise you that humans are innovative wealth creators whose survival is because they adapt and change.

SDF: In Gee's world, plastic factories sprout like weeds, because oil is under the ground everywhere and plastics technicians are a dime a dozen and laboratories, factories, plastics stores are everywhere. See, in Gee's world, nobody is impoverished because nobody lives in slums where the food, water, electric power, transportation, education, access to tools, a place to live, and a place to work, are all things owned by someone else (and you have nothing to sell in exchange for such things), and this is why Gee sees nothing wrong with privatizing the above commodities. None of the people who are described in Jeremy Seabrook's book VICTIMS OF DEVELOPMENT, nobody in India whose existence is threatened by corporate dam-building, none of the Filipino women who are reduced to prostitution in order to eat, none of the Brazilians who must steal from the lands of the wealthy in order to survive, none of these people exists for Gee, because in Gee's world global capitalism does none of the things he says it does. This is also why Gee has NO ANSWER (as evidenced by the above post) to my conclusion (which he declined to reply to) that his fantasy world "presumes an endless 'commons' that the public can make endless use of, without any start-up resources whatsoever." Gee has also basically conceded the realities of capitalism without government as described here, because he has no explanation for how things would be otherwise, but he prefers to go off and live in his fantasyland. Dream on, anarcho-capitalists.

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