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They reason?

Posted by: Red Deathy ( Socialist Party, Uk ) on July 08, 1999 at 14:15:09:

In Reply to: Fear of reasoning with Greens? My word! posted by Samuel Day Fassbinder on July 08, 1999 at 10:43:20:

: SDF: Maybe your anti-capitalists didn't put in the prior effort to insure that the Green Party would be anti-capitalist.

They are 'anti-capitalist', they are, however, unfortunetely reformist, hence the whole flaw of their arguments as you lay out- whatever they want to do to the market (make it more social, have community economics), it still includes private ownership, and reforms of the current market system- which mean that all such policies are doomednto failure.

:your UK Green Party (or whatever they're called) argues that:

Theres two (ish), teh Socttish Party is seperate, and then there's teh green party fo England and Wales, but they're also teh same party as well, don't ask me...

: which has to mean something better than the commodification of labor under capitalism.

But which is an airy fairy wish because they demonstrate no means to attain it, other than tried and failed tactics of Labourism, and reform/regulation of markets.

: which basically means they want to promote an economy based on harmony with nature. Now it doesn't take a genius to argue that they must be thinking of something other than capitalist development, which has as its "modo de vivir" the maximization of the rate of profit in order to avoid bankruptcy. So maybe you could at least forget about your "hostility clause" for a little while and go and talk to those people...

1:No-where (and I did read their manifesto) did they mention class.
2:In their manifesto they talked about attaining full employement- which means working with capital in the tired old labourite way.
3:The GP-EW opposes the single currency, usggesting that currencies should be controlled at national level- which is rubbish coz currencies can't be controlled- a sop to Euro-Sceptic voters I reckon.
4:Most of their policies are tax reforms (of, as the progress board folk mention, Georgist proportions).
5:No-where attack or recognise money as the inherent problem of market reform, nor the logic of money.

I shall remain hostile- we are standing against the buggers in elections you know.

Follow Ups:

  • Some of them do Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA July 08 1999 (3)
    • Get outta here!!! Red Deathy Socialist Party UK July 09 1999 (2)
      • No! Samuel Day Fassbinder Citizens for Mustard Greens USA July 12 1999 (1)
        • Ah, go-on! Red Deathy Socialist Party UK July 12 1999 (0)

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