: So take the alternative dimension to this one where world statism (I wont say communism or socialism because you know from debating with comrade deathy that China etc. arent communist) is prevailant what do you do? I bet you aggitate for reform where it's permitted right.
I would do so confident that I'm not the only one (Lennon!). lets be realistic and say that the world currently provides a vast range of political variations even within a country like America. Also - trying to leave isnt the same as actually leaving - remember people who tried to leave Berlin?
Only when forces such as those presented in Berlin are you left with the last resort misery of having to try and encourage change/rebellion - all the time knowing that if a great majority sanction the current condition then you have, erm...an uphill struggle.
This is not the condition a socialist finds in the west.
: I've worked on and off with Catholic aid organisations which ship materials over to the victims of laissz-faire or military capitalist regimes in the third world.
Laissez faire and regime are contradictions in terms. where are the laissez faire countries anyway? What is military capitalist? Name some of these countries and lets think about those swipes.
: Fact but it is like putting a bandaid on a cancer Gee.
A strange analogy.
: However Gee there are penalties for employing your time in this way, you dont get to lie up and rent videos, enjoy a few jars with your mates etc. while your attempting you change things.
Did you expect other poeple to service your desires any more than whomever you help has any right to expect you to service their needs? To be true to this there would hav to be the equivalent of 'make it comfy for charitable folk charities'
: Well altruism only goes so far.
Your getting toward my point.
: because it's not their individual responsibility, the state shouldnt be able to shrug of it's obligations to those it governs.
Now you are a subject to be governed? I thought you liked Proudhon? If it isnt an individual responsibility then how can it possibly be a 'social' responsibility? Who would actually be responsible?