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Are you reliant on you employer?

Posted by: Mike Bednarz ( FocC, Wells, KS ) on September 07, 1997 at 13:28:33:

In Reply to: No, not our wealth--just yours posted by Ted on September 06, 1997 at 18:21:50:

: As opposed to the speedy, compassionate private sector? Sorry, but the "invisible hand" of the marketplace is not a very good wealth distributor, even if it's just fine and dandy with you. I don't suppose you have much of a problem with the government when it picks your pocket to support agribusiness, or the egregious defense industry. But slow mail delivery is positively satanic.

Every time some ignorant person claims the USSR to be proven failure of communism, you scream at them, correctly, that Russia was not communist. However subsidies and high defense spending are no more capitalism then China is socialism. I AM NOT for the status quo, I AM for a purer CAPITALISM.

: But that won't stop you from lecturing the rest of us when we don't feel obsessed with toil. Find that sloth and root it out. Hatred of inactivity is a common conservative trait. Except when the bosses are on their three-hour martini lunch. That's different.

I'd like to know what business has managers take three hour lunches; I'd like to invest in their competitors-- they won't be around too long.

: Why discuss them when you can just kick them in the ass and let them starve. But I'm glad to see you approve of people who truly want something and work hard to get it. Many of us truly want to redistribute the wealth, and we're willing to work hard for it.

I hope not. Just like Enviromentalists-- A few whakos with too much idle time can counter the opinions of millions of sensible working people. Is this democracy? Yes, I'm sure you would say so, but only when the whakos agree with you. Maybe there is a little more then lack of imagination that makes Capitalists think socialism would be a "living hell." I'd say a "democracy" where the most eccentric people have the most power would be a living, albeit, short-lived hell.

: Malevolence and greed, however, are easily forced on people in today's western capitalist empires. The boss apparently has the right to make his or her needs my responsibility. And what could be a better example of extortion and theft than the employer/employee relationship? I'm paid a fraction of the value I produce for the master. None dare call it robbery.

Why don't you go to work for yourself and see how much you really produce (minus the other half of social security normally paid by your employer, that you probably don't even know exsists). A robbery is forced, working is volentary, If you don't like what your doing go elsewhere.
PREDICTED SOCIALIST RESPONSE: "Wow, I get to choose between thieves!!"
MY EARLY ANSWER: In your system I have to pay to one thief- the government, or as you like to say "The people", that somehow vote, not by majority, but simply by consensus! Socialism steals from produceres in the true sense of robbery, that is, if you live under the socialism you are coersed to give to "the people", no choice whatsoever.

: : I think a world where you rely on others to give you things (and if they can give things they can take them away) is a hell beyond imagining.

: Every time I receive a paycheck I'm thinking the same thing.

Are you reliant on you employer? Does anyone have to pay your employer? In your system we are and do.


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