Day 067 - 15 Dec 94 - Page 15
1 copy of it in front of him? It seems to me only right.
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3 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, it is yellow IX.
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5 MS. STEEL: Turn to page 34 of the bundle.
6 A. Page 34.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mine is not paginated. Have you got a
9 paragraph number?
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11 MS. STEEL: It is the second page of the first statement.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Divider 4.
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15 THE WITNESS: I have it. At point No. 5, are you referring to
16 that one?
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18 MS. STEEL: No, point 4 at the top of the page, do you not
19 remember saying that the company carries out audits?
20 A. I did not say that -- I am just looking. I want to
21 make sure I have the same access to the information that
22 you have and looking for it. So, you are looking at point
23 1 as the first page?
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25 Q. Paragraph 4, but I am specifically looking at the part of
26 paragraph 4 that is on the second page of the statement.
27 A. OK. At the top of the page?
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29 Q. Yes.
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Ask the question again; he is waiting for
32 you.
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34 MS. STEEL: What do these audits consist of?
35 A. Audits? OK. We visit a plant. Our main concern is --
36 let me use an example of a beef pattie supplier. I would
37 visit a plant. Like I said, our major concern is food
38 safety, so we look at the hygiene in the plant; we look at
39 how they clean the plant; we look at how the hygiene
40 practices of the employees; we look at their pest control
41 programmes; we look at their quality control programmes,
42 including the records that they have; we spend some time
43 with their people so we can have a better idea of their
44 attitude towards quality, towards safety; we look at the
45 raw materials, the quality of the raw materials; we look
46 for, let us assume, beef, we like for signs of stress, the
47 colour of the meat; we look for signs of abuse of the meat;
48 we look at the microbiological data; we look at the
49 products that are -- I would look at products that they
50 currently have in the market. I take samples, send them,
51 have them analysed in the lab and I do that over a period
52 of time to get an estimation of their quality and the
53 consistency of their operations. We have a check list that
54 will guide us through the process. We look at everything
55 from incoming raw materials, we look at ingredients -----
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57 Q. So you have a form that you fill in, do you?
58 A. Yes, we do, plus we have the -- we also do evaluations
59 that the form will not tell you, such as the attitude of
60 the people there. We would look at a lot of things.
