Day 111 - 30 Mar 95 - Page 24
1 There is another point I would like to make before Ms. Hovi
2 resumes: Quite some time has been taken up in this court
3 by saying what some third party of the proceedings thought
4 of this or that, be it some regulatory body, or some
5 government ministry, or someone outside the case altogether
6 who might be thought to be in a position of some authority
7 and able to judge these things.
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9 Do remember at the end of the day that that may help me, it
10 may not. I have to form my own view. You have actually got
11 in the witness box at the moment someone who you are hoping
12 can actually give evidence of factual and various matters
13 from which you are hoping I will accept and on the basis of
14 which, if I accept it, you are asking me to draw various
15 conclusions. I hope it does not sound conceited if I say,
16 at the end of the day, I have to back my own judgment,
17 whatever MAFF's judgment or a regulatory body's judgment
18 may be.
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20 To give you an example, when you were going through the ITC
21 Code, there is a regulatory body, you were inviting me
22 there, and I will have to consider it, whether the ITC Code
23 said what I make of advertising standards to children and
24 so on. So do not forget that what the Ministry thinks, or
25 a regulatory body thinks, might give some guidance to me,
26 but it is my judgment on the evidence of fact which is the
27 bottom line.
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29 I would concentrate on getting your factual evidence out of
30 Ms. Hovi?
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32 MR. MORRIS (To the witness): If you look at the floor plan,
33 where on the line -- we have looked at this before so
34 people are pretty on top of what is actually going on at
35 Jarretts -- could you just identify the first area that you
36 would be concerned about?
37 A. Well, the first area that I would be concerned about is
38 one of the points on my statement which is the separation
39 of "clean" and the "dirty" side. Basically, we consider
40 that the lairage and anything outside the abattoir is the
41 dirty side of the abattoir and the abattoir gets cleaner
42 the further on you get on it. But, basically, as soon as
43 the evisceration starts, we are talking about the "clean"
44 side of abattoir.
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46 The first point where I would want to look at is where you
47 enter the slaughterhouse, the little door -- I do not know
48 if everybody is familiar of where the office block is?
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50 Q. No.
51 A. Which is at the bottom of the picture. You can see
52 some steps?
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54 Q. Yes?
55 A. On the left-hand side. That is the office block. From
56 the office block, there is an entrance to the slaughter
57 hall, this empty area here which used to be the pig
58 slaughter hall which is not used any more. This is the
59 entrance where all the workmen and anybody who enters the
60 slaughterhouse, the meat inspectors, the veterinary
